@ Sadang

on point (4) :

   That is basically the same point I was trying to make.  In terms of 'bulk mass', the atoms are grouped together into a solid object. It becomes difficult for us to 'visualize' the individual atoms at work, because of the physicality of millions of atoms comprising the pieces large enough for us to see. Also, because there is no true alignment of the magnetic domains of the atoms involved in bulk matter. We have only partial alignment, even in the best case scenario. some of the atoms are not aligned with the majority. Magnet manufacturing technology has greatly improved over the years, super magnets, and whatnot. The N52 and higher neodymium is a good example of intense alignment, but even in those and other exotic magnetic material, not all of the atoms march in precession. You still get strays that want to turn and 'face' in other directions.

I think we would need something like nano-ferrites (or individual atoms) free floating in a vacuum, outside any major gravitational influence.
  Then, we may be able to "test" for a vortex.

At this point, my opinion is more along the lines of spatial distortion due to the relativistic velocities of the atomic interactions.
    not a 'vortex' but a bending or warping of space around the magnetic distortion.


In a single atom, during one cycle, the 'magnetic moment' can be analyzed in the same way we view electromagnetic induction through a single coil.  This micro field does in fact fluctuate from cycle to cycle, both in vector and intensity.

With two atoms, the cumulative field becomes a combination of the effective field from both fluctuations and the fluctuation of the resultant field is less pronounced.
With a great number of atoms contributing to the cumulative field, these tiny fluctuations in the cumulative field intensity and vector are incoherent, and from an outside perspective, we only observe very small perturbations if any at all.
When observing a bulk mass of millions of incoherent atomic fluctuations, we observe almost no change in the cumulative field

To imagine a coherent 'vortex-like' interaction of the mass atomic interaction, and/or its cumulative field, we almost need an exotic substance, approaching that of a "pure magnet".

I can't rule the vortex out at this point, as such is a possibility, but even if this could be achieved, I believe it is still a process of the cumulative interactions, and NOT an inherent quality of magnetism itself.

QuoteSo how do trillions and trillions of atoms in the mass of the 'magnet' self-align their magneto-dielectric fields? The same way 5
autonomous gyroscopes having been spun up align their flywheels in perfect synchronous manners and their axles likewise

Whoops!  A Kenny Fail.  Stay tuned for a robust round of denials.  Big Time drama.

@sm0ky2

Your way of reasoning and development of this subject about magnetic field is ok, only the terms and mental images used are not as I see, understand and visualize them.

You still think about the atom as about a particle, when it was a long time ago proved it is only a bunch of something which science called fields (even from 1911), and only our limited senses and interpretation make them particles. These are attributes not intrinsic proprieties. Not to speak about the internal structure of the atom, which is not as it is trumpeted since the time of Bohr.

Based on these aspects and going further, things becomes really weird for a well accustomed mind with the current "scientific terms". How to see a magnet as a bunch of fields, when it has a physical shape and presents all that proprieties associated to matter, which were well and deep implemented in our conscious mind by the educational system. Most loose their sense of reasoning if the fundamental blocks of their own system of beliefs is destroyed. And all these happen, without sensing the deep truth that these fundamental blocks are founded on the existence of an empty space, are available only in an empty space and are ultimately entirely false.

To see the magnetic vortex, you don't need vacuum, only to change the way of thinking. Lenz law was postulated in the same empty space and based on the same "well-known" atom. (the same Lorenz law). There is no vacuum, other than that implemented in the human minds. Also, ferromagnetic nano-particles can be achieved by a controlled electrolysis process, their dimensions being between 0.01 to 0.001um. And their colloidal form in conjunction with their diamagnetism make them ideal for observing the shape and structure of the magnetic field.

The further aspects discussed by you about the magnetic moments of atoms and their cumulative effect in the case of an entire magnet are ok in terms f the current atomic and magnetic theory, but I see things in other manner and prefer to not not keep this discussion in a relative common sense frame.

My last suggestion for you is to read again the Ken's book and no only, and try to reproduce some experiments described there. Or buy a ferrocell and experiment for yourself. Or simply play with magnets as you did in the case of Tri Forces and soon or later will become saturated by the circularity of all current scientific theories and will go on your own path of knowledge.

Sadang:'How many times I've suggested you to research about the Lenz Law?'


We don't need to research the lenz-law.we need to RULE OUT the lenz law otherwise nothing happens

Apophasis:'with light,'

Are you observing the light shifting  directly or indirectly via ferromagnetic particles shifting