Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
You are everything that is wrong with this world, not corporations, not governments, not democracy nor communism, not consumerism.

Are you being facetious?
Greed runs the world and I read somewhere awhile ago from a long-forgotten source:   A religious text indicated, in writing, that, "The world belongs to Satan."     I would tend to agree.

QuoteWhen you lose compassion, when you lose consideration for others then you are nothing more than an animal in my opinion because these traits are what defines us as intelligent beings.

Everything changes in the world.   People are born, grow up, grow old, and then pass away.      Everyone.     Why?    No one is perfect?   You, as well?   When you're born and then DON"T die, you can possibly set the example for others to follow.   Until then, am I the scapegoat, here?   Others do just as badly in experssing a negative opinion and then try to spin off criticism from others.   I can give you 2 names, if you don't mind discussing it in front of those reading this thread.

QuoteGee  lee i am so glad your all that is bad in the world.

Thanks for this smiley face.   I feel that way sometimes.

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Wait! you don't through ("throw"} people in prison because they complain or have the wrong religion.
you'r"(e)" = "you're" not playing brinkmanship over a few scraps of land.
your tanks did not crush protesters.
your doctors don't harvest organs for profit form unwilling convicts.

I go to the V.A. hospital which is a teaching hospital (            )<--I was trying to be facetious---and I do admit I can have a really offbeat sense of humor sometimes.
maybe your not such a bad guy.      (I work in national defense as a preliminary  R&D  subject matter expert while working on engineering projects.   Honestly.   Do you think the forgoing text above was written by a moron, considering the reasonably advanced discourse being presented by myself?

Time's gone.   No time to proofread this.
--Lee

"Are you being facetious?"
absolutely!
i was quoting the other guy, sorry i should shown the quotes.
you were accused of being the worst because you don't care about people who spill a lot of blood.
in my awkward way i was trying to point that out
was i too subtle?
all those thing you do not do are on the leadership of china, not that this is a complete list by a long shot.

fritznien

seems to be a lot of factors that can be blamed for economic troubles looming, and depending on who talks about it, different viewpoints begin to form. sometimes they become violent or loud and pushy demanding their views be seen as far more important than yours.

the politicians puts short lasting bandaids over the us debt in the form of asking for further loans from what it looks like.
this as alot of people know will result in having to pay the growing debt back, somehow.
nobody seems to like taxes that could chip away faster at the debt, so politicians try to make promises about not raising taxes if they can.
and then once new politicians get elected, they only add to the debt by pressing on trying to deliver on their election promises of this and that whatever it is they are seeking funding for to complete.
so the debt is now like a speeding car when before it was driving like it was in a school zone.

tommorrows another day, another week eventually, soon as the months go by, wow that debt sure seems to be turning into a mountain due to all that turning a blind eye.

things start costing more because while people might be making less, they now have to spend that much more on taxes, the rising costs of being able to eat store bought foods that are supposed to be better for you than the junk foods, even though those better foods are now containing stronger and stronger versions of pesticides that leads to the farmers becoming forced to work with genetically modified versions of what they used to grow.
and then theres those govt grants given to some farmers to not grow anything at all for a period.
things get more expensive with each given reason for allowing the above to continue.
some farmers end up walking away shaking their heads.
others are frustrated too but what can they do they say.
they are farmers, not clever lawyers who make appointments with the politicians to pass more midnight bills.

lawyers always make sure they have their hands just about first into the cookie jar, no cookies for anyone they say, until the lawyers get theirs.

laws continue to support these middlemen that aim at making a very very well paid living, and if you ask the lawyers, they feel they are doing the right thing do what they do.
as clever at playing courts like a competitive chess game as they are,
the real things that should matter are ultimately the reason that lawyers try to not change those laws that are so profitable to them and their clients in some cases.

costs keep rising. its a new day.

morning news says the debt is reaching record highs, and the weather will be overcast with chances of rain, now over to the traffic report followed by sports right after this word from our sponsors.
people rush around getting ready to join the growing tax paying rat race that is stuck in a traffic jam on their ways to work at mostly desk jobs and service based ones due to the evaporation of manufacturing due to the high costs of trying to make products that people can afford.

people end up shopping at walmart as a result.
and other places that now heavily import consumer goods.
perhaps they might sell more locally made products but there isn't as many as china and other countries are willing to make cheaply and ship to the land of the free.

quality goes down and is accepted as normal now.
or it ends up costing the sky.
so walmart it is.
dollar stores and other places that thrive from having low low prices.
where the lowest price is the law' said one stores slogan.

oh darn, more humbling natural disasters occur, there goes more wealth from the insurers pocketbooks, we better raise the rates accordingly they say as their excuse for doing so. after all they would not want to let down their investors!

healthcare, well if it remains free as it recently changed to while trying to adopt the canadian healthcare system,
more bandaids will be given out to replace surgeries, the level of whats acceptable in quality care slips a little compared to how it used to be
when it was ran by the wealthy health insurance corperations.
though at least this time a possible broken leg for a violinist on tour that would be alot more affordable to try and repair even for a starving artist that in the past would have become even more starving due to having their home taken away to pay for medical expenses.

while nobody ever wants injury or insult to occur to any violinists or other artists or anyone for that matter, that statement simply isn't entirely true.
it turns out there are some people who would aim to threaten or skip threats and just injure someone for whatever selfish sociopath rationalization they come up with, and so that leads to them getting caught and serving time in jail.
and the public covers those costs too built into the taxes.

take that and the prison industry that relies on alot of current laws to never change because as we all know, laws can be very profitable for their lobbiests. such as the drug enforcement administration as a whole.

while average police officers share some time with their families in the park on weekends having picnics, it sure aint no picnic for the prisoners who the police managed to find new homes in jail for something like, drug charges.
do those officers think about changing the laws by making a stand for whats morally right? heck that might mean having to resort to cheese slices rather than more expense blocks, and maybe even be subjected to less healthy foods on those weekend picnics and getaways.

ok this message is getting rather long fast and theres still alot further it could mention, but perhaps the above offers even just a few slices of the pie chart why a economic disaster could show up rather soon, in spite of the efforts to keep feeding the beast seems so cute while it was in the mall at the pet store before it was transported there by the with any luck, not from a puppy mill.

animal abuse is rampant, forced marrages of young teenagers and sometimes even younger than that,  doctored to not appear as the mind numbing and emotionally damaging rape it really is , at home and abroad, the silence of certain technologies by being bought by older oil money that helped elect a ex president who upon being elected told everyones television set that god told him to run for office,  and then shelved alot of really good ideas that could have vaulted medical research or helped step away from a carbon based global energy economy, even darker pictures than that, the list grows on,  but those are much of the darker colors that todays artist is currently left to use on his canvas unless avoiding the underlying greed and manipulation that politics and sticking to painting happy nature scenes.

perhaps a better world soon, global effort before then.

all the best.

Quote from: fritznien on August 02, 2015, 06:00:54 PM
"Are you being facetious?"
absolutely!
i was quoting the other guy, sorry i should shown the quotes.
you were accused of being the worst because you don't care about people who spill a lot of blood.
in my awkward way i was trying to point that out
was i too subtle?
all those thing you do not do are on the leadership of china, not that this is a complete list by a long shot.

fritznien

Okay, I see now.   AllCanadian was more strident than you, I believe.   I really have a genetic condition that gives an advantage of about IQ >= 150, but at the cost of being polite or verbally intelligent and appropriate in public conversations.    This is something I have no choice but to live with.   Be happy if you don't have it.
       I agree with your post, but for the subject of this thread, it isn't all Greece's doing.   Look at this...
http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/03/investing/puerto-rico-default/index.html

Right.   "If it isn't one thing, it's another", as the saying goes.
       Greece doesn't have to anything is there's Porto Rico(spelling?) to do the same thing."   Spain, Iceland, and Ireland are only slightly better.   My contention is still that the economy will fall apart, anyway.   Can't be avoided.   And China is the 'heavyweight champion' in this regard.   The ruling "polit-bureau" doesn't care about anything but themselves.

--Lee

P.S.
Last minute addition...
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2015/08/03/greek-shares-tumble-as-market-reopens/?intcmp=hplnws

It appears to me that Greece isn't going anywhere but down in terms of quality of living and the other Europeans should be looking at them with some anxiety.

       This just in at my library off the Web...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/10/state-emergency-issued-in-st-louis-mo/?intcmp=hplnws

That town is a powder keg with a fuse that's shorter and shorter.   Look out.

--Lee