Quote from: gravityblock on August 31, 2015, 05:25:38 PM
I already provided you with the reference of them successfully powering light sources between 1 to 5 watts.

No, you provided me with a "they said", which is hardly any kind of reference. Where can this system be purchased for examination? Nowhere, that's where.

QuoteThe flashlight is currently being sold with a 3 watt LED.

Where is it being sold? Who has bought one? Nowhere, and nobody.

QuoteIf TK can't do it, or if he can't imagine or understand how it can be done, then it's not possible to do.  According to TK, taking up to 14 days to recharge a flashlight through energy harvesting techniques is breaking the laws of physics and is similar to the thought process of those who said airplanes will never fly, the atomic bomb will never go off, bubble bees shouldn't be able to fly, etc....

Gravock

Again with the gross misrepresentations. Are you channelling Synchro again? Your strawman isn't even worth addressing in detail.

The company has made extraordinary claims which would be significant scientific breakthroughs IF TRUE, but they have not provided any credible proof of those claims.

Quote from: gravityblock on August 31, 2015, 07:43:53 PM
Dr. Stiffler's research would be a good starting point, IMO.  Have a look at his youtube channel.

Gravock

You'll believe any carny huckster with a good patter and some smoke and mirrors, obviously.

Quote from: gravityblock on August 31, 2015, 06:11:54 PM
TK,

In regards to the joule thief.  You are more than free to hook up a joule thief to power the flashlight after the accumulator has fallen below the voltage threshold to light the LED.  However, looking at the graph for the ELFE capacity over a 12 hour period, they may be using a joule thief to extend the run time from 8 hours to 12 hours.

Gravock

A three watt LED that only produces 120 lumens, big deal. The LEDs that I have repeatedly linked will produce that much light on less than ONE watt of DC power, and they only cost 65 cents US per unit in small quantities and much less than that in bulk.

And at 12 hours in that graph, the light output line is _horizontal_. Do you know how to interpret graphs? What is the significance of that horizontal trend line?

I have some silly suggestions on how to achieve something similar(  I know nothing about electricity )

-  Those old  unpowered-crystal-radios,  could they not cram  'Numerous'  of the radio-signal receiving elements of those old radios,  into a single device  .

-  Would it be possible to make a   lattice/honeycomb/3D-mesh  radio antenna to utilize every square millimeter  of free space inside the torch,  Or,  at least utilize as much of the exterior surface as possible .

-  (    And,    a  far-fetched idea  -   is it possible to make a device that  actually attracts  radio signals to it,  deviates their normal path (  maybe an electromagnetic method )   
        Or,  is it possible to generate some type of field( electomagnetic or electric ) around the device,  and then radio signals passing through that field somehow cause energy to be generated in the device   .
        To provide power for these 2 suggestions,  you could use the energy that  the torch is already currently capable of collecting .      )

    -  Another far fetched idea,  is there any  'Theorized'  Motionless/Solid-state  method  of multiplying  electricity (  a Motionless/Solid-state  equivalent  of  'rotating-a-large-wheel-by-it's-axle, and then that  'large-wheel'  turns  'smaller-wheels'  .

    (  These things would be great for powering old types of LCD-display devices  )

I want to post a retraction to something I said that was wrong due to my ignorance.

I said this:

Quote- Complete and total nonsense from their own promotional material, "we must follow the flow of the electron neutrino which pierces the Earth's atmosphere in all directions." There is no such thing as an "electron neutrino."  There is no possibility of extracting energy from regular neutrinos.

I want to thank TK for pointing out to me that electron neutrinos exist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_neutrino

It's a particle in the nuclear zoo that I was not aware of.  However, I will stand by my reasonable assumption that you can't extract energy from electron neutrinos to meet the requirements for powering an LED flashlight.   Assuming that you can actually extract energy from electron neutrinos, I am going to guess it would be too small by somewhere between 12 and 20 orders of magnitude.  Also, when discussing electro-smog, what's a reasonable guess for the amount of power that you could pick up in a device the size of a flashlight?  I am going to guess somewhere between microwatts and nanowatts.  If this is actually the case, then it is impossible to pick up sufficient energy from electro-smog in a reasonable amount of time to power the flashlight for several hours.  These are simple critical thinking skills that most people have, it's just matter of exploring them in your mind.

Note that there are about three parallel "stories" about how this device allegedly draws energy in from the environment.  That in itself is a red flag.

If there are people that are willing to give this device a try, then four or five of you could pool your money together and actually order one. It would be an interesting experiment where the "device under test" is the vendor themselves.

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