Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
@CycleGuy

I'm sorry, there's just so much wrong with what you've said that I find myself unable to muster the necessary GAS to set you completely straight... as an adult, you should be self-correcting in your knowledge, yet you seem to have gone so very far off the rails of what makes sense without once questioning whether what you believe reflects reality. So I'll respond to only a few points below...

Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Everything has its affinity to reach a level of activity. Atoms come in all sizes and types, some are conductive, some are not, some are radioactive, some have few outer shells and their nuclei is smaller or bigger. Some have shells that are very transparent, some are denser to better contain the larger nuclei but are less reactive to outer influences. That's why we call them Atoms. They come in all forms and abilities and most of that ability stems from the imbalance of their proton/neutron counts since both have the same mass.

The mass of a proton is very nearly the same as the mass of a neutron, but they are not the same.
Neutron = 1.6749286E^-27 kg = 939.56563 MeV
Proton = 1.6726231E^-27 kg = 938.27231 MeV
Electron = 9.1093897E^-31 kg = 0.51099906 MeV

The magnetic properties of an element are able to be predicted based upon how its valence shells are filled, whereas I've done an audit of all elements, correlating their Proton:Neutron ratio and Molar Magnetic Susceptibility... there is no correlation between P:N and MMS.

Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
All of these imbalances will react to gravity at differing levels and intensity. That's how you get diamagnetic among others. Now don't forget one major thing on the Earth surface. You are standing on the surface but you always have at least 14 PSI of atmospheric pressure on your body helping to keep you down. That's 14 pounds per square of horizontal body surface area. That is not chump change. The expeirment I am referring to in my previous post would help answer many of those questions. hahahaha

You're still conflating two disparate forces... please elucidate why you believe magnetism to be gravity and vice versa?

So let's say our atmosphere, rather than being the density of air, were of a greater density... say that of the density of the salt water in the Dead Sea... would that thick atmosphere "keep you down" on the surface of the planet, or would you float to the surface of that thick atmosphere? According to you, you'd be pinned to the surface of the planet with so much force you'd be crushed.

Put another way, the atmosphere plays no part in "keeping you down" on the surface of the planet. The atmosphere is present because of gravity, it neither causes nor contributes to gravity.

Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Take a 2" diameter sphere neo magnet and center it inside a 10" ball. That's Earth. Then see how metal sticks to it. Everything is relative so you must not confuse Earth gravity with Neo Magnet Gravity when the neo Magnet does not have it's relative mantle and crust distances. When we play with a Neo magnet it is like playing with the core of the Earth, not the surface. The only difference being its total mass cannot attract everything so it starts with its greatest affinity. Very Simple. I could expand this into every facet of mass and effects.

A magnet has a higher gravity center but the volume of that gravity is small. So it attracts the conductive atoms much more readily then others. There is no confusion on my part. This has been mulled over for many years now and your type of argument is very normal and appreciated. I've had it with myself many times.

I... I don't even know how to begin to rectify your misconceptions. I leave you to do so yourself. Suffice to say, you are so wrong that "wrong" is the wrong word to describe how wrong you are.

Of course, deep down you must know that there exists no massive objects in the universe which can repel each other via gravity, given that gravity is a distortion of space-time caused by massive objects which causes massive objects to seek their lowest energy potential by falling into a "gravity well"... whereas magnetism is a distortion of space-time that can cause a "well" or a "hill", and thus can attract or repulse accordingly.

Two different forces, both acting on the QVZPE field to distort it. In fact, magnetism can affect gravity, mediated through the QVZPE field, and conversely, gravity can affect magnetism, mediated through the QVZPE field... but they are still separate and distinct forces.

One way of looking at it is that gravity is warped space-time, whereas magnetism can warp space-time. So in effect, you're half right... gravity is a "well" in space-time, but you're neglecting the other half, the "hills" in space-time that magnetism can create... you'd be less wrong to say gravity is magnetism, but you'd still be wrong.

Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
At the atomic level, a nuclei that turns becomes a very big event for the other atoms around that then respond to that turn without emitting anything. Spin Conveyance explains all our effects man. So easy. Look up "sound of the atom" by IBM on youtube. Just the sound will explain how feisty atoms really are. We have only scrapped the surface of their interactions and there is no field or electron required.

By what means is this "spin conveyance" being mediated? Or are you describing a magical process that requires no mediation? Do you not know about quantum tensors? What you're really describing is energy transfer from atom to atom, mediated by the QVZPE field. It's called the Exchange Interaction, the underlying reason why magnets exist in the first place. When we create a magnet, we force a material into a state in which it is conserving exchange energy, at the price of a higher electron kinetic energy. This higher electron kinetic energy causes the electron to throw off more Larmor radiation in the form of virtual photons (which we perceive as magnetism) due to that higher kinetic energy and thus higher angular acceleration. In addition, all those electrons in the bulk of a magnet rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes damps electron precession, causing a less chaotic electron orbit and thus a more coherent magnetic field.

Here's a basic primer to start you off:
https://gravityandlevity.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/where-does-magnetism-come-from/

Here's what I wrote in another post:

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Electrons are particles (they have a rest mass, after all, and it's now been proven that they reject QVZPE field modes longer than their radius, as all matter does, which is why those out-of-phase QVZPE field modes impinge upon the electron in the first place, and part of the reason a magnet's magnetic field is coherent (a "field" (for want of a better descriptive term) of electrons all rejecting out-of-phase QVZPE field modes longer than the Compton radius (acting much like a Casimir cavity) damps electron precession as a whole in the bulk of the magnet, allowing the Larmor radiation thrown off by those electrons to be more coherent and thus perceivable at the pole faces)

Electrons are so small and light that the QVZPE field modes that destructively interfere with its orbit about a nucleus make it appear as though it were of a similar nature to those QVZPE field mode electromagnetic waves that are impinging upon it. The electron wants to make a nice circular orbit about the nucleus, but the destructively-interfering QVZPE field modes toss it about, necessitating that we use quantum superposition to estimate its most likely position simply because we have no equipment that can zoom in enough and which has a fast enough data acquisition speed to accurately determine its position.

For free electrons, I further contend that what we're seeing in the double-slit experiment with electrons is a manifestation of the electron being impinged upon by those destructively-interfering QVZPE field modes. We're not seeing the electron as a wave, we're seeing the QVZPE field modes (ie: electromagnetic waves) impinging upon the electron such that it's "tossed" upon those QVZPE electromagnetic waves. So we're actually seeing the anisotropy of the QVZPE field, said anisotropy caused by the electron passing through the QVZPE field on its way to the target and interacting with the QVZPE field... it's kind of like that "random walk" game called Plinko at carnivals (you put a disc in at the top, it bounces off of pegs on its way down, you get points or a prize if it lands in a certain spot)... except replace the disc with the electron, and the pegs with the QVZPE field modes impinging upon that electron.

By conducting the double-slit experiment in a Casimir cavity such that the QVZPE wave modes that predominantly destructively interfere with electrons is damped, we would see the electron exhibiting much more "particle-like" behavior than it normally does.

Interestingly, Einstein hinted at this:
http://www.bourbaphy.fr/grangier.pdf

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Interestingly again, he goes even further in the 1909 conference (as well as in another article [3] published also in 1909), and identifies two basic contributions to the fluctuations of radiation: one is a "particle-like" contribution, that we would call now shot-noise, and the other one is a "wavelike" contribution, which is due to random interferences, and that we would call now speckle-like fluctuations, or the Hanbury-Brown and Twiss effect.

All matter rejects QVZPE field modes longer than its radius. This has been found to be the basis of the mass which matter has. Energy and mass are interchangeable under Einstein's famous formula, thus the amount of energy that matter rejects in the form of QVZPE field modes longer than that matter's radius is responsible for the mass of that matter.

Or, as I wrote in another post:

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http://vixra.org/pdf/1203.0033v1.pdf

Apparently, all mass interferes with QVZPE fluctuations, and the smaller that mass is, the more frequency modes of the QVZPE are excluded. And protons and electrons both exclude QVZPE fluctuations within themselves, although they can be acted upon by the QVZPE field... therefore the electron is a particle... but it's so small and light that the QVZPE fluctuations acting upon it fling it about as though it were a wave.

Another interesting thing to note:

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The difference in the inner and outer diameters is 0.338 fm, which equates to a shell thickness of 0.169 fm. This value is interesting in that it is similar to the wavelength of a virtual proton-antiproton pair at the pair production energy, 0.330 fm = λp-a = hc/4mp, where mp is the mass-energy of the proton.

In other words, I was right. The QVZPE field density is right on the verge of concretizing mass, but there's an energetic hurdle it must get over in order to do so. That explains why virtual particles don't stick around for very long (the fluctuation in the QVZPE field density is short-lived... it's a wave (or more to the point, an interaction between two other waves that constructively interfered and built up a large enough resultant wave that pair production could occur) that's damped when the virtual particle pairs are created, and smeared over a longer time period as those virtual particle pairs disappear back into the QVZPE field).

It also verifies the mass-energy density and radius of the electron by comparing it to the known vacuum energy density and radius of the proton and adjusting the calculated mass-energy density of the electron until the two match up... not surprisingly, the "size" of an electron is equivalent to the Compton wavelength. That's a good verification to have, but more importantly:

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If we initially set di equal to the Compton wavelength, the energy density of the excluded wavelengths from that point and larger is 1.124E²⁶ GeV/cm3, which we can see is very close to the electron mass-energy density.

Which means the energy from the QVZPE field that the electron is "interfering with" due to it being matter is the energy it is using to maintain itself in orbit around the nucleus. It's using the QVZPE field modes it is excluding as a "springboard" to propel itself. That's the strongest evidence yet that the QVZPE field provides the energy that keeps matter stable by preventing electron capture.

Quote from: wattsup on January 16, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
I will be providing a paper soon on this but have been busy on my bench. We work here in OU research and none of anything you just said will help. Nothing of what @Ken or @Atom has ever said will help as well. But Spin Conveyance has helped me discover Half Coil Syndrome for pulsed coils and now soon I will explain Coil Bypass for Pick-Up Coils which will both help the OUer in future orientations by providing new ways for our coil topologies and new ways of seeing how energy is conveyed in our wires. All of this stems from this construct which is mountains more in the last few months then all the years previous, and this is just the beginning because this construct can be used in every sector of science AND IT IS SO SIMPLE. Maybe too simple for the top academia. hahahahahaha

If electrons had orbitals whizzing around  a nuclei, you should be able to put a pick up coil beside a rock and get output. But that does not happen. Could say so much more but will stop for now. Maybe just to say that no, I do not have all the answers because this is way so big it will take years and years and many people but at least the door is open and the view so far is fantastic. By placing it against more objections it will just get stronger and stronger but no, I do not have all the answers, and yes, I have been objecting against SC for 5 years now and still have not won against it. It will be better that I open my own thread. hahaha

Thanks for your comments.

wattsup

I'd be interested in learning more about this Spin Conveyance, predicated upon it not being another case of Wheelerism. Thus far I've found a paucity of information in searching.

  Wattsup? I'll tell you what's up......Cycle's scrapped it!

  Borrow from the vacuum-but you must pay back in the time allowed.

Quote from: minnie on January 16, 2016, 09:11:44 AM
  Who believes the QVZPEF exists as speculated???

There is no speculation as to the existence of the QVZPE field, it's been known about since Max Planck first mathematically discovered it circa 1900.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/follow-up-what-is-the-zer/

Researchers at Chalmers University in 2011 concretized virtual photons from the QVZPE field using Dynamical Casimir Effect.

The QVZPE field is why we find it impossible to solidify helium at absolute zero and atmospheric pressure... there is still energy there that keeps it a liquid.

The QVZPE field is responsible for the speed of light. As photons traverse the universe, they impinge upon and give up their energy to the QVZPE field, just as photons traveling through any medium do. That medium then returns the energy to the photon after a short time, said time delay being called the "resistivity" of the medium, which is what slows the speed of the photon in that medium.

The QVZPE field is what is responsible for universal expansion... as mass is converted to energy in stars, that energy entropies and becomes part of the QVZPE field, thereby increasing QVZPE field radiation pressure. The universe has only two options to relieve this field radiation pressure... either concretize mass or expand. Right now, it is energetically more conservative to expand. At some point in the past, it was energetically more conservative to concretize mass, which accounts for 1 billionth of all the energy from the Big Bang turning into the mass we have today.

The QVZPE field is also responsible for universal expansion at faster than the speed of light. The QVZPE field is a magnetohydrodynamic fluid, a cold plasma (plasma being the most prevalent form of mass in the universe, given that stars are plasma). It's a well-known plasma phenomenon that electromagnetic waves above the plasma frequency can travel faster than c, or the speed of light in that plasma... given that the QVZPE field permeates the universe, it sets the universal speed of light at c... but QVZPE field modes at a higher frequency than the QVZPE field's plasma frequency can exceed this speed. Thus the QVZPE field radiation pressure (which is always increasing as mass is converted to energy in stars) can reach the edge of the universe at faster than the speed of light, thus expanding the universe at faster than the speed of light.

Even such mundane everyday objects such as electrical generators operate only because of the QVZPE field... magnetism affects space-time.

As I wrote in another post:

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A conventional generator moves a magnetic field through space to compress (slow down) space-time in the local time frame of the generator, which causes a perceived charge compression which pushes the electrons out over the wires to power a load. The motionless electrical generator would exploit the time-compression effect directly, said effect brought about by dint of the magnetic flux stressing the QVZPE field. We get a bonus, though... the magnet with "keeper" is both compressing (on one pole face) and expanding (on the opposite pole face) time.

That's from my open-source-energy.org posts, detailing a motionless electrical generator utilizing specialized magnetic flux paths such that, rather than a conventional magnet counteracting its ability to do work by dint of the fact that a conventional magnet has a centripetal and a centrifugal (attractive and repulsive) interface on each pole face which mutually cancel any vector force the magnet might create, the specialized flux paths align the attractive and repulsive interfaces so both of them are reinforcing instead of self-canceling, thus exploiting the time-compression effects of magnetism upon space-time without requiring motion, as is required in a conventional generator.

Quote from: minnie on January 16, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
  Borrow from the vacuum-but you must pay back in the time allowed.

Actually, no. Haisch and Moddel have discovered a way of taking energy from the QVZPE field without requiring that it be paid back until after that energy is put to work for our purposes. They do it using a Casimir cavity to suppress QVZPE field modes such that the ground state electron orbital of a noble gas is suppressed, forcing the noble gas to give off photons, which are captured and converted to electricity or heat. After exiting the Casimir cavity, the noble gas draws energy from the QVZPE field to regain normal 1s orbital, then is routed back around to repeat the process.

Their method lowers QVZPE field energy locally, but you're tapping a universal pool of energy, so there shouldn't be any effect (except for minor time dilation and compression in the local areas where the energy is being extracted and where it is being used, but we're talking on the order of trillionths of a second per hour, so no big deal... and that happens anyway with our electrical distribution system).

The same can be done using magnets, since magnets opposite-pole to opposite-pole (N to S), with a gap, lower QVZPE field density in that gap, much as a Casimir cavity does. But they'd have to be exceptionally strong magnets unless one were to use specialized flux paths as I outline in my open-source-energy.org posts.

One similarity I've seen amongst solutions that tap the QVZPE field to extract energy is that they are reported to get cooler than ambient when operating... they're absorbing energy locally, converting it into something we can use, then chucking that energy off to somewhere else to do work.