Quote from: minnie on July 06, 2016, 05:15:49 PM


   I too PM'd RMS and disappointingly he didn't seem to "get it" about the
  declining voltage.
   I really like the fellow and he's done some inspiring videos.
         John.

My opinion of RMS is a lot lower now.

I will just repeat what I already said for the sake of dramatizing the point:  If you try to measure the energy content in a capacitor and you fail to measure the voltage during the discharge cycle you become the laughing stock of your class and any astute 12-year-old science fair nerd would also point out the same mistake.

It's so outrageous that you have to wonder.  It's simply unacceptable and the non-technical RMS sycophants that comment on his YouTube clips seem to be blissfully unaware.

I think I know the genesis for him making the video.  Note he made the video about a month ago.  Well, about two months ago a Disquis poster named "redrooster" stepped in to defend Robert Murray-Smith on the article "EESD: Robert Murray-Smith" on the Revolution Green web site.

http://revolution-green.com/eesd-electronic-storage-device/

I strongly suspected that RMS made himself a sock puppet named "redrooster" and at least one other person agreed with me.  So I had a debate with "redrooster" two months ago and simply repeated the same points that I had made to RMS on his YouTube clips seven months ago.  I can hypothesize that that steamed him up and he got mad and made the clip about me a month ago.  It's only a guess.

Sample of "redrooster:"

QuoteIts a commercial product that he is making and just because you think he should divulge everything to you,you go and throw a tantrum.lol Ive been making these graphene EESDs from RMS videos and If you had the brains to make some yourself you would see that they are indeed a breakthrough in battery technology.Robert made a video pointing out your unreasonable demands for info on his commercial product. Why dont you hassle NASA with the same augument and see how far you get. He has deleted all the comments and banned you for being an unreasonable idiot.

My response:

QuoteWhat you are saying is nonsense and I would not be surprised if you are an RMS sock puppet.  I did not ask him to "divulge everything" that is a ridiculous thing for you to say.  I asked him to show credible measurements to back up his claims, which would divulge nothing at all. Don't give me your "if you had the brains" crap, that's the same MO that I have seen from RMS before and that's why I suspect that you are RMS.  You have not shown any kind of breakthrough whatsoever because you have not convincingly demonstrated any increased energy density by weight or by volume that I am aware of.  I did not make any unreasonable demands at all, I simply asked for measurements to back up your data. And of course we both know the clip where you made the "measurement" where you measured current but did not measure any voltage is an embarrassing farce that would get you laughed out of any kind of academic presentation of your results.  It's so bad that one suspects your motivations.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.  To appropriate an expression from black culture, I am giving him the side-eye.

Just for fun, this is the clip that started the "beef."

"Edison Power - Tap Charging The EESD"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMiny6uma58

Not the clip is only 1:42 so it is very short.

In the clip RMS "tap charges" his capacitors by briefly connecting them to a 37-volt power supply.  For another device he "tap charges" it by connecting it to a 50-volt power supply.  I am no expert in supercapacitors but I do know that a typical maximum voltage for a supercapacitor is somewhere around three or four volts.  If the voltage is higher than that you damage the device.

So I politely posted on his YouTube clip that he might be at serious risk of damaging his devices by over-voltaging them.  I got a very rude reply.  I posted again saying that I thought that he would risk damaging his device by "punching a hole" though it because the output capacitor in his bench power supply would be at 37-volts and it would "fight" with the discharged supercapacitor at nearly zero volts.  I just got more rude and ugly comments from him and then he deleted the entire conversation.  He never discussed anything technical.  I was very surprised, and honestly bewildered.

There are two bizarre exchanges in the comments on the clip:  (possibly more)

1) zeropointfuel:  I've been working with pulse charging for many years I wonder how well your capacitors would work  in series up to 160 volts or so do you think it could handle this through current in series. most of the loss I deal with in a pulse motor configuration is due to the internal resistance of the battery. 
Robert Murray-Smith:  +zeropointfuel the little device you saw was tested to 120 volts mate
My comments:  "Tested to 120 volts" makes no sense at all.  What is going on?

2) Abdulla Qasem:  +Robert Murray-Smith Really impressive , how much current can the credit card (2000F eesd) provide ? . I hope all goes well with your project.
Robert Murray-Smith:  +Abdulla Qasem it has a voltage of 2.15 - so you can work out the coulombs and joules mate and from that get current flow
My comments:  What?  No, in fact you cannot work out the maximum current flow from the coulombs and joules.

And this guy is supposed to develop a virtual electric car?

Quote from: MileHigh on July 06, 2016, 05:58:11 PM
I will just repeat what I already said for the sake of dramatizing the point:  If you try to measure the energy content in a capacitor and you fail to measure the voltage during the discharge cycle you become the laughing stock of your class and any astute 12-year-old science fair nerd would also point out the same mistake.

It's so outrageous that you have to wonder.  It's simply unacceptable and the non-technical RMS sycophants that comment on his YouTube clips seem to be blissfully unaware.

I think I know the genesis for him making the video.  Note he made the video about a month ago.  Well, about two months ago a Disquis poster named "redrooster" stepped in to defend Robert Murray-Smith on the article "EESD: Robert Murray-Smith" on the Revolution Green web site.

http://revolution-green.com/eesd-electronic-storage-device/

I strongly suspected that RMS made himself a sock puppet named "redrooster" and at least one other person agreed with me.  So I had a debate with "redrooster" two months ago and simply repeated the same points that I had made to RMS on his YouTube clips seven months ago.  I can hypothesize that that steamed him up and he got mad and made the clip about me a month ago.  It's only a guess.

Sample of "redrooster:"

My response:

That's the way the cookie crumbles.  To appropriate an expression from black culture, I am giving him the side-eye.

Quote: What you are saying is nonsense and I would not be surprised if you are an RMS sock puppet.

And there you go,that is the attitude that gets you into hot water all the time MH.
There is no !Mr nice guy! with you,it's just all out war on those trying to better the world.

It is always the automatic !bullshit! button  with you,when some one presents something that dose not conform to !your! way of doing thing's,or go's against your beliefs.
Thats pretty ironic coming from some one who dose nothing but talk.

You think you have taught me better than what i find through experiment's,then prove it-->how are you going to do that?.
You cant--all you have is words.


Brad.

Quote from: tinman on July 06, 2016, 07:31:49 PM

Quote: What you are saying is nonsense and I would not be surprised if you are an RMS sock puppet.

And there you go,that is the attitude that gets you into hot water all the time MH.
There is no !Mr nice guy! with you,it's just all out war on those trying to better the world.

It is always the automatic !bullshit! button  with you,when some one presents something that dose not conform to !your! way of doing thing's,or go's against your beliefs.
Thats pretty ironic coming from some one who dose nothing but talk.

You think you have taught me better than what i find through experiment's,then prove it-->how are you going to do that?.
You cant--all you have is words.

Brad.

No you don't Brad.

At this point I am sick of this bullshit from you.  I approached RMS very politely and right away he started calling me an "idiot" and "stupid."  Those are the facts.  You get that chip off your shoulder.  If you kept on making mistakes all the time, then it was damn good medicine for you to tell you the truth.

And you are too scared to respond to what I have told you several times now; you learned more about electronics in the past three months that you have learned in the past six years - mostly due to me.   You have had more interesting discussions on here in the past three months than the past six years, because of me.

And with respect to RMS, I clearly have the moral high ground.  Do you get that?  If you had any guts you would say that too.

To be brutally honest, and RMS deserves some brutal honesty, it looks like he just might be another guy that wouldn't be able to answer an electronics question about a circuit that consists of a power supply and one single component.  His electric supercar is a bloody joke.  Only to be a fly on the wall when the half-dozen company directors were in a meeting discussing generating that press release.

And the pen is mightier than the bench - it is.  Suck on that and stop sounding like a miserable sourpus.

MileHigh