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I see an economic diasater coming...

Started by the_big_m_in_ok, September 03, 2009, 01:05:30 AM

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Do you think the American economy will ever improve?

Yes, definitely
Possibly, in the long run
No, it will worsen
Undecided

Farmhand

The global economy will likely not recover from the next financial collapse. It's got so messed up the only way out might be to scrap the entire system and endure the chaos. Most of the general public have a very weak or no understanding of how the Banking system works. People here are complaining that the banks are not passing on the interest rate cut implemented by the Reserve bank. They do not understand that the interest rate set by the Reserve bank is the price they charge for money, to make a profit the banks have to charge a bit more.

Inflation is not rising fast enough, the system is geared for maximum profits. It's all backwards when it's looked at with sanity. It must fail, there is no way out. Interest rates are almost at zero. The people who can afford to own real estate want real estate prices to rise so their investments gain worth, but if the average young person ever wants to be able to own their own home without having to borrow huge sums of money then work like a dog to pay it off then the price of real estate must fall while interest rates remain low. For most to have any hope laws need to be passed to prevent people from using Homes as a way to generate income. Everybody needs to have a home to live at, and it should not be so prohibitive to buy or build one to own. Being forced to rent is a form of slavery.

One solution would be to pass laws to prohibit people from renting houses (not flats or units) to other people, that would cause the price of houses to fall and become available for people to buy. Some people would lose a lot of money, but if you buy a house to live in then what it is worth does not matter. I see that as the only way to bring home ownership back to the masses.

I see a grim near future.

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Dog-One

I don't know what things are like there in Oz, but here in the US, no corporate fiction (14th Amendment Citizen) owns anything.  You can buy a home, but you don't own it.  You can buy a car, but you don't own it.  You don't even own what you would call your children.  The money in our wallet is owned by the Federal Reserve.  Everything is owned by the State.  Look up the Latin definitions of Residence and Domicile.  The difference is clear.

The head guy at this website http://republicbroadcasting.org/ has spent the last 25 years of his life trying to educate people what is going on and how this mess all happened.  Funny thing is, you can't go to that website from a Corporate network, it's blocked.  The insiders know what is going on; they do not want anyone else figuring it out.  Lee knows; he can't/won't tell you.  I know, but I had to dig and scratch for it.

Read these two books then tell me what it will take to turn things around.

http://www.strawmanstory.info/
http://www.newpeopleorder.com/

What really sucks is this all goes WAY back.  Then you have to ask yourself, what is it really you want to go back to?  Some would be happy just following the Constitution with a democratic republic and a sound money system.  Others want to go back to the Articles of Confederation.

You see, it's nearly impossible for people that understand the problem to even agree on what it is they would be willing to fight and die for.

To put it simply, we're screwed.  There's no going back to "the good ol' days".

It's a lot like falling into a black hole; there's no telling whether we will even get through it or not and if we do, what things will be like.  One needs to lose their fear, hold on tight and try to land on their feet the best they can.  When it's over, it's over.  There isn't a lot of sense dwelling on it.


@SeaMonkey

Here's a quote.  Think about it very seriously and thoughtful in the context of the movie.  These seven words when fully comprehended, changes everything.

   "Deserves got nothing to do with it."
       Will Munny -- The Unforgiven


SeaMonkey

Dog-One,

Somehow I missed seeing that Movie.  I'll have to look for
it on DVD.

Roger Ebert did a review back in '02:
Quote from: Roger Ebert
There is one exchange in the movie that has long stayed with me.
After he is fatally wounded, Little Bill says, "I don't deserve this.
To die like this. I was building a house." And Munny says,
"Deserve's got nothin' to do with it."

Actually, deserve has everything to do with it, and although Ned
Logan and Delilah do not get what they deserve, William Munny
sees that the others do. That implacable moral balance, in which
good eventually silences evil, is at the heart of the Western, and
Eastwood is not shy about saying so.

Dog-One

Quote from: SeaMonkey
Somehow I missed seeing that Movie.  I'll have to look for
it on DVD.

Well worth your time unlike most media.  Each time you watch it, you'll pick up on something different.  After several years and several viewings, a deep meaning starts to foster in your mind.  I suspect you will recognize it.


Quote from: SeaMonkey
Roger Ebert did a review back in '02:

Roger missed the point.

When a thought transitions through a decision and into intent, it carries with it the full force of the Universe.  There's a big difference in saying someone deserved it and just doing it because it must be done.  In the movie when Will made the decision to kill Little Bill, his intent became self evident, a universal truth.  The Schofield Kid recognized that intent immediately as did everyone at Greeley's when Will walked in.  This is why just prior to pulling the trigger on Ned's rifle as he aimed it at Little Bill's head he said, "Deserves got nothin' to do with it."  Will did like a robot and followed through with his intent.  It must be done, or as some call it simply, "a must be".

Animals can sense intent at great distances and with zero time delay, a superluminal force.  It is this same force in respect to this thread we are up against.  The decision has been made and the intent of what this world will become is nearly unstoppable unless...

All of us decide and put forth an equal and opposite intent.  This is war at every level of our mortality, including metaphysical.  Every creature on this planet that wants a part in the outcome must form the intention that enough is enough and that we all will stop this force that wishes to derail our future.  I can do this for myself, but do the math, it's not going to be equal and opposite.  Alone I will lose.

You see why I have the feeling we are screwed.  I can also sense intent and I'm not feeling the numbers are there to push off this dark cloud.  Too many seem to either be on the wrong side of the fence or are still sitting on the fence.  If they won't engage they'll soon discover the error of their ways.  As this story unfolds, I hope to feel the intent multiply as some determine the point of no return is here.  Let's hope their "Will" is strong and their numbers abundant.


By the way, The Unforgiven isn't the only movie of Clint Eastwood where intent is prevalent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ishbTwXf1g

:)

the_big_m_in_ok

Quote from: seychelles on August 08, 2016, 11:57:33 AM

(snip)

       Thank you, seychelles, for that literary religious exercise in the previous paragraph.   I keep religion out of this thread because I'm a Jew, and I don't proselyte any religion.   Jews don't.   (There's a reason for that.)
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I AM A CATHOLIC WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HEAR A PRIEST GOT THE SAME FOR SCREWING LITTLE BOYS..SO YOU RECKON SHIT IS GOING TO HIT THE FAN...
You know about this personally?   And do nothing?   Because you think it happens all the time?   That's one reason I'm not a Catholic.   Jewish Rabbis do marry and have children.
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, I AM SORRY TO TELL YOU ALL FUCKWITS, IT HIT THE FANS 2016 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY MURDER(ed)  THE MOST WONDERFUL MAN EVER ON THIS PLANET. ALL HE WAS DOING IS BEARING WITNESS TO THE TRUTH.
You blame our possible ancestors for that.   I. Didn't. Do. That.      THEY.  DID.  
       A significant number of Europeans and Americans are derived from a few Palestinians who journeyed to Europe.   Oh, and if I'm a "FUCKWIT", and I'm probably ethnically related to you, then what does that make you?   Were ALL of your ancient ancient ancestors so righteous id King David said, "There is no good man; no not one", in the Song of David?
       You the one swearing vulgarity at everyone looking at this thread.

Now, take a look at this:
       http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13537-shekinah#anchor4 My question (I postulate?), is this:
       Is Shekhinah capable of being born into a human body if She thinks it's necessary?   Say, Jesus' Body?   HER ONLY SON?   Would He be good enough to be worthy of being Her Host?   He did actually imply, (Paraphraised, admittedly):  "Only by Me can you reach heaven."   The statement should be in both the New Testament and the Tanach of the Jews.   Seychelles may not believe that if he's being lied to by the devil.
       Oh, seychelles, I know what I know, and I'm doing the best I can in life.   Is this fair to you?

       If Shekhinah incarnated to Jesus' body, and She was aware of what She was saying with words in the first person point of view with Her self-awareness, THAT would make sense, since Her awareness was as clear as any person's.   If She was mentally Shekhinah, then she could have said, only by She Herself, would anyone gain Heaven.
       I don't expect to be believed or answered to my assertion, above.
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.NOW DO YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE THE PROPHETS OF FINANCIAL DOOM, WE ARE ALL FUCKED
ALL MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS WHO HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD THE MESSAGE..THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES..AS SIMPLE AS THAT .. A RIDDLE FOR YOU ALL .. WHAT IS SO EASY TO AND YET SO BLOODY HARD TO DO.. THE ANSWER IS ABOVE..
I had to read that last paragraph twice to be sure I read it (like you intended?)
Honestly, seychelles, you come across like a hypocrite, with a contrary, double-standard attitude.
With the attitude you just displayed, (paraphraised for clarity) "Love others as you do yourself."
       I heard the same message from others.   Right?   Your attitude implies otherwise.  "MAYBE THE POOR BASTARDS..."    "THE MESSAGE IS LOVE YOUR EVERY LIVING ENTITY AS YOU LOVE YOURSELVES."
       "WHAT IS SO EASY, BUT IS SO HARD TO DO?"   Your answer?   What is it??
Do you really need to use that strident language?  I don't.   Why do you really need to do that?

--Lee
"Truth comes from wisdom and wisdom comes from experience."
--Valdemar Valerian from the Matrix book series

I'm merely a theoretical electronics engineer/technician for now, since I have no extra money for experimentation, but I was a professional electronics/computer technician in the past.
As a result, I have a lot of ideas, but no hard test results to back them up---for now.  That could change if I get a job locally in the Bay Area of California.