Quote from: i_ron on September 21, 2016, 04:47:03 PM

As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.


I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'


For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)

In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)

And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!

Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.

Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)

Ron

Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you're explaining!!!


   Chris Sykes
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Hey Brad

QuoteIm just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.

Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC

I am sorry to hear about your Horse AC!

It is sad, In a better place now!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Quote from: allcanadian on September 22, 2016, 02:13:34 AM
Hey Brad

Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC

Well,must have been the day to put down our beloved pet's,as we had to put one of our dogs down today--such is life

But i must say,i am confused about the rest of your post,as this was your idea of a friendly little comp.
To quote post 264
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.

And post 493
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.

One minute you are going to show us how it's all done,and the next,your not interested in the very competition you set the rules for--you no longer wish to show us how it's done

Oh well-what ever.


Brad

Quote from: EMJunkie on September 21, 2016, 10:30:43 PM


Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you're explaining!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Thanks Chris, even at 81 I still occasionally run on ego... and that was a big boost, LOL


Love those old pics! them old boys knew their stuff.


A couple of clarifications for those following this. I mentioned rotor cogging at the gap... well that was without the end bars and the cogging "nearly" went away with end bars in place, duh. Next, I an only using one end bar (core) as with two, the flux strength is neatly divided in half so it is my suspicion that I can get max output from one coil as with two coils in parallel??? any ideas?

Will dig out the Gauss meter today...

Ron