So by now we have found what capacitance is, what charge is, we can scream from the roof top "in your face Schauberger, the hell with your chords Keely, screw your corals Leedskalnin, we have a true unified field theory".

Well then, all looks hunky-dory, everybody's satisfied, time for a break and tie a knot to remember what was the problem again?

Quote from: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 12:52:55 AM



Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?

It is the equalization of pressure differentials.


Brad

From Tesla's statements (included the sources to check the context):

Quote1891-04-18: Phenomena of Currents of High Frequency
While not directly connected with the present controversy, I would here point out that there exists a popular error in regard to the properties of dielectric bodies. Many electricians frequently confound the theoretical dielectric of Maxwell with the dielectric bodies in use. They do not stop to think that the only perfect dielectric is ether, and that all other bodies, the existence of which is known to us, must be conductors, judging from their physical properties.

Later:

Quote1896-04-22: Roentgen Ray Investigations
In my communication to you of April 1, I have for the first time stated that these rays are composed of matter in a "primary" or elementary condition or state. I have chosen this mode of expression in order to avoid the use of the word "ether", which is usually understood in the sense of the Maxwellian interpretation, which would not be in accord with my present convictions in regard to the nature of the radiations.

Politely commenting the herzian waves, he expresses the faith in scientific community and their methods:

QuoteThe Problem of Increasing Human Energy - With Special References to the Harnessing of the Sun's Energy
The strength of the proofs brought forward by Hertz in support of Maxwell's theory resided in the correct estimate of the rates of vibration of the circuits he used. But I ascertained that he could not have
obtained the rates he thought he was getting. The vibrations with identical apparatus he employed are, as a rule, much slower, this being due to the presence of air, which produces a dampening effect upon a rapidly vibrating electric circuit of high pressure, as a fluid does upon a vibrating tuning-fork. I have, however, discovered since that time other causes of error, and I have long ago ceased to look upon his results as being an experimental verification of the poetical conceptions of Maxwell. The work of the great German physicist has acted as an immense stimulus to contemporary electrical research, but it has likewise, in a measure, by its fascination, paralysed the scientific mind, and thus hampered independent inquiry. Every new phenomenon which was discovered was made to fit the theory, and so very often the truth has been unconsciously distorted.

From calling maxwellian theory a "poetical conception" to...

Quote1905-01-07: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires as a Means for Furthering Peace
Our accepted estimates of the duration of natural metamorphoses, or changes in general, have been thrown in doubt of late. The very foundations of science have been shaken. We can no longer believe in the Maxwellian hypothesis of transversal ether-undulations of electrical vibrations...

and in the end,

Quote1934-04-08: Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound
This appears clearly, Mr. Tesla explained, if it is first realized that, there being no Maxwellian ether, there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory, he believes, is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project particles with the same speed as the blazing sun, which has an immensely higher temperature.
"We have made sure by experiment," said Mr. Tesla, "that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source. Such constancy of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the physical properties of the medium, especially density and elastic force.

So here is Tesla's review on what we are nowadays served as soupe du jour: Re-heated "Barf à la Science"

But wait, what is he talking about "density and elastic force"? Didn't he compared inductive and capacitive properties with those of a mass and a loaded spring respectively?

Quote from: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 11:56:39 AM

But wait, what is he talking about "density and elastic force"? Didn't he compared inductive and capacitive properties with those of a mass and a loaded spring respectively?

http://www.energeticforum.com/193605-post447.html   Maybe this will help

@erfinder

QuoteI don't subscribe to the concept of an electric field, so...I cannot answer your question.  Were you to ask the same question, replacing electric field with dielectric field, we would probably have something to discuss.... probably....

I tend to see the term capacitance having many levels depending on our perception. On one level we see a standard capacitor storing energy and giving no indication of it's inner workings. Next we see two conductors in proximity to one another, one with more electrons than the other(-) like wise one with less electrons than the other(+) producing an electric field of force between them we call the Coulomb Force.


We could jump to the conclusion that the motion of these charges in the plates constitutes a current between them, a displacement current, however how can ther be a current?. There is only a field of force and this force imparted to the charges on the plates is what causes them to move in the plates. To say there is a real displacement current is to say a force has been applied to nothing causing it to move through nothing causing it to act on something.


On the next level we see the particle and it's supposed electric field, the field an interference pattern induced in by all external fields thus every singular field is in itself is a dielectric field. At this level there is no such thing as an electric field per say only two wave functions(internal/external) interacting with one another to produce a disturbance within a region surrounding the particle. We could call this disturbance anything however we need to keep in mind that nothing cannot act on something thus no field can simply exist for no apparent reason. On some level there must always exist a primary cause which produces an effect thus the field in every form it may take cannot simply exist and must be an effect of something else. A duality of forces manifest as a singular entity in it's appearance to us.


Ultimately this is where we may have been mislead by ourselves in thinking something, anything just is. It just is for no apparent reason and we need not ask any more questions concerning it. I keep asking questions and in turn I keep receiving answers once again justifying this notion of a universal cause and effect. Ultimately the universe is the sole reason for our existence and if that big old ball of fire, our favorite star, or this planet we call home should change in any fundamental way everything we know could disappear over night.


Personally I think we have lost our way glorifying superficial things and judging solely by appearance. They say this is normal however as we can see almost anything no matter how insane, in time, may become normal to us. People they come and they go, beliefs change as do our attitudes ... but the universe is the foundation I choose to build on. It is my rock, my constant and it does not care what people may or may not believe because it has no application in it's reality.


AC