Quote from: Magluvin on April 23, 2017, 01:36:16 PM
These guys actually do experiments and work with coils, of which you are only cut, past and link.
And whether they tell you all they know or not, you assume and publicly degrade their knowledge, basically compared to your cut paste and link role here. Respect that.

If you would like, as I have done very well in the past, I can cut, paste AND link you being disrespectful here in this thread alone. Respect that.

You probably have more posts here than anyone and not even a resistor or cheap dvm on the kitchen table. Nothing.  And you 'demand respect'. Oh how I cower when TK grabs your hand and helps you up on a pedestal made of wet mud. Ooo, some respect from someone.

Screw your respect. You are a troll here. Most of what you post is just belittling others trying to do what this site is here for. Whether there is a positive end result at the end of the day, you will be here to declare the 'Move along people, nothing more to see here, The only one here that know anything is me', EVERY DAY!!!!  Every day. You have no right to belittle anyone that 'tries', and then demand respect after delivering disrespect.  You are delusional if you think most look at you as the authority. Just look at the number of people here in this thread alone have corrected your self proclaimed mistakes.  Tk can hold your hand all he wants in order to 'give' you some appearance of high standing here, yet there are times he needs to correct you here n there.  Sure you know some basics. But purposely you pad with incorrect values and functions that are only to degrade the subject to make it look as bad as possible and follow your 'nothing there" narrative.  Again, like your plugging a value of 10ohm on a uh, pf tightly wound bifi that was clearly made of at the least 18ga wire, then saying it was a mistake, and then further proclaiming that you confused TKs resistance value with Conrads. Lol, yeah, I make it a point to remember the details of what you say, as you know very well.  Your 10ohm plug resulted in 'your proCLAIMED' result of 110w loss in the resistance and laid it out as an AUTHORITY figure.  Respect??  You are like CNN 'fake news'.  Maybe they have a nice vaccine with pig virus infected Australian green monkey cells, aborted baby fluids, a sprinkle of aluminum and a touch of mercury for that. All actual CDC admitted ingredients for such.

Right now I am warning you. I had laid out the conditions of this topic area that there will be no bashing or talk that pushes negative views of the subject, degrading others for their efforts and knowledge, as it is all just garbage that fills the pages and nothing gets done.  All you have done here is say 'You cant do it', 'It cant be done', 'you are all delusional', 'Nothing more to learn here'  No wonder nobody gets anything accomplished when they have to deal with you all day, page after page.

Set up a bench and cut the crap. Radioshacks are closing left and right. All components 60% off. Soldering irons, circuit boards and wires, oh my.

Show the respect that you demand and maybe you will get some that you seem to desire but not getting apparently.


Mags

Mag's

Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad.

Why dose one get a serve,and not the other?

I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious.

There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything.

So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.

Is there anyone here,that has something out of the ordinary to show,regarding the BPC ?

Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil.

I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?

You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them.


Brad

well
there actually are some "anomalies" which are going to be discussed
but at the moment there is a member here calling the builders at OU.com  Liars who Hide OU
member Zephir...
and one thread has been shut down [Grum's Nelson build thread
so why start another here ?
have been waiting to hear back from Stefan about this fellow?

still waiting ,he has been moving house

has anyone bin able to reach Stefan??

I will try to call him again tonight

Quote from: tinman on April 24, 2017, 04:02:51 AM
snip...
There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
snip....
So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.
snip...

My questions are, what did Tesla think was great about it?(1), and what purpose did he envision for it(2)?
His answer is :

" Let A, Fig. 1, designate any given coil the spires or convolutions of which are wound upon and insulated from each other. Let it be assumed that the terminals of this coil show a potential difference of one hundred volts, and that there are one thousand convolutions; then considering any two contiguous points on adjacent convolutions let it be assumed that there will exist between them a potential difference of one-tenth of a volt. If now, as shown in Fig. 2, a conductor B be wound parallel with the conductor A and insulated from it, and the end of A be connected with the starting point of B, the aggregate length of the two conductors being such that the assumed number of convolutions or turns is the same, viz., one thousand, then the potential difference between any two adjacent points in A and B will be fifty volts, and as the capacity effect is proportionate to the square of this difference, the energy stored in the coil(2) as a whole will now be two hundred and fifty thousand as great(1). Following out this principle, I may wind any given coil either in whole or in part, not only in the specific manner herein illustrated, but in a great variety of ways, well-known in the art, so as to secure between adjacent convolutions such potential difference as will give the proper capacity to neutralize the self-induction for any given current that may be employed. Capacity secured in this particular way possesses an additional advantage in that it is evenly distributed, a consideration of the greatest importance in many cases, and the results, both as to efficiency and economy, are the more readily and easily obtained as the size of the coils, the potential difference, or frequency of the currents are increased. "

From Nicola Tesla himself : https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-512340-coil-electro-magnets

Obviously Tesla thought energy storage(2) in a coil was a good thing. To do what?, is my next question, though the title of the patent, "COIL FOR ELECTRO-MAGNETS" is probably the self evident answer. 

Quote from: hoptoad on April 24, 2017, 04:51:30 AM
Obviously Tesla thought energy storage(2) in a coil was a good thing. To do what?

Still not seeing it yet?

Have you checked this thread?

Observe the pancake coil carefully.  Do you see any core?  Where do you suppose the energy
(or whatever you would like to refer to it as) is being stored?

Capacity my friend, think about what that must be.  Try substituting the word "capacity" for
"ability to __________".

Hint:  Jack fills in the blank in this post.

Quote from: tinman on April 24, 2017, 04:02:51 AM
Mag's

Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad.

Why dose one get a serve,and not the other?

I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious.

There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything.

So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla.

Is there anyone here,that has something out of the ordinary to show,regarding the BPC ?

Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil.

I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?

You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them.


Brad

Hey brad

"Maybe have a read of a few of erfinder's post's,and you will see that MHs aint so bad."

But since the other day he has cleaned it up and i reflected that here already. As far as Im concerned he is fine as maybe he does not divulge his way of using the coils, he does intrigue optimism that I want to see more of. If there is something more to try with this then that is what needs to come next, as tk is done, and you agree with MH now that there is nothing more to see. Thats not the brad I thought I knew. The Brad that comes up with out of the box ideas on things that captures everyones attn. Where did ya go?  Miss ya.


'I have read all of this thread,as it continue's,and all i see is MH stating what is obvious."

Lets agree that i did say when I first entered here that i believe that there is something other than the resonant freq that we need to look at. The title of the thread does not make a claim. It names a thread on the subject. So I may have to open a new thread to avoid the resonance issue being at the chopper.  And when I or Er say something that tries to point out that there are other things to try, MH pounces on that as if he knows all else above all others imaginations. BS man, bs.

Now if you call it quits and are finished as you have not found there to be any advantages to the bifi at resonance, only by redoing others experiments, I have to sigh.


"There is so much hipe over the BPC,and yet,no one to date has shown that there is anything wonderful about it.
Sure,we get the !erfinder's! continual rant's,on how wonderful it is,but he hasnt been able to back up his rambling's with a single thing of substance-as is the case in every thread he is in--the nothingness of everything."

MH says there is nothing more to try. Nothing. ER says there is.  MH puts together examples using false data, where the outcome always leans even more in his favor . Er has not provided falsities that anyone can point out so far. I have found the ER will let you know if you are going in the right direction, just that you have to ask the right questions. Im ok with that. If it all turns out bunk then you can say otherwise. Mh will daily press that there are no more directions to go. Like is that warming on you here?? You removed ERs post, but mh gets to run nelson off and just puke on every new thought that arrives. Let me ask you. Just because ER does not tell you much and considering what you have seen of his vids, would you absolutely agree with MH that he does not know how a coil works??? if so, you are scaring me now. Is the world flat? Does the earth rotate around the sun?? If not, got proof?  Well back when these discoveries, earth ball, sun is the center of solar system, there were those that argued it based on the tight box surrounding them, not an open mind to new possibilities.


"So far,the only thing i see that is great about it(the BPC),is the name behind it--Tesla."

So far that is all we have tried is resonance tests and some inductive coupling tests, of which there has to be more to diversify the tests. But thats fine if you agree with mh that there is no further to go. Im not in that lot.  Ive been on and off on the bifi. Im slow. It most likely takes me more time to 'write' this stuff than most let alone... I have a deeper view of it than I ever had as in the details that make it something much different than a single wire coil or even a typical LC. Ive stated my new views and have more to state, as i get time.


"Mag's,i trust in you,and so i ask you--do you,or have you found anything interesting about the BPC yet?,that dose not exist in an ordinary coil."

I listed a couple things earlier..

Test transformer action between windings

Test with pulsed input. Not square wave where it it on and then held to 0v, pulse and let it go, spark gap, quenched or not, or some other ideas that are out there.

Test for the possibility of the internal capacitance charging before the inductor allows current to flow.  If it charges, did current flow without the impedance of the inductance? etc

Those are not ridiculous ideas. Thats just 3 things and there are more.

Im working on the idea of the possibility of 3 different voltage levels possible due to the capacitance mod of the bifi. It is in the works as to how to go about testing for that.  Yeah it is just a theory so far, but that is what we need is new things to do, not there is nothing more to see. If thats what most all this has come to then the free energy was just an imaginary fad and is fading away.

Just because nothing so far has been found does not mean that it is not there as MH presses as a certainty day in and day out.


"I know we have an even potential voltage difference between turns-unlike other coils,but what dose that do,that sets it apart from any other coil?"

I see the fact that the capacitance IS in the coil as a different thing than having a separate cap and coil of an lc..  It operates as a parallel, but would seem to be series also if we look at it electrically, the cap can only charge through the body of the coil. How does the greater charge difference between turns affect the induction, and like I said earlier, the ones that claim E field is how induction works, wouldnt one think that the field between turns of a bifi and a normal coil to possibly have a huge effect on that idea, yet it doesnt show so far?

I dont believe that the capacitance is literally increased as much as the fact that the wiring arrangement helps provide a much higher voltage level compared to a single wire coil making that capacitance capable of higher capacity because of the augmented voltage differences for each. 

There is always more to do. So maybe we make a new thread that looks beyond resonance, or we can just keep on going here.


"You know i have two identical coils(one a BPC,and the other a single wound coil),in that they have the same amount of wire,the same kind of wire,and the same physical size.
The only thing i have found different between the two,is the BPC has a lower resonant frequency-by about 26.5KHz. Other than that,they both perform the same in every way i have tested them."

I had posted a thing to try. Did TK do this already?....

Im under the impression that the bifi has a couple different capacitances and that the bifi has the augmented voltage between turns, but it also has the same capacitance between turns between end to end of the coil. So I think the bifi of the same dimensions and wire can also resonate at the same freq as the single wire coil. if so does the augmented voltage between turns also occur if it does ring up in that range? Will it be able to couple better to the single wire coil? Anything there?  Who knows? MH??  He tries to crush imagination prospects. I do not agree with that attitude at all.

Otto used to tune his coils by slightly adjusting the length of the wires, like nip a bit off at a time till it is in tune.  Where an unravel a bit at a time can do it also.


Things to do, things to do.

I gota git.

Mags