Well I don't know about the rest of you all, but I'm going to make a self-running
electrical generator come hell or high water.     

Quote from: ramset on May 04, 2017, 01:05:15 AM
you have threatened violent acts on him, you have used Vulgarity and street talk and you also used ethnic Slurs against him

lol  Saying someone is "Latin" is an "ethnic slur?"  There are lurkers that must be laughing out loud and it just shows how much you have completely lost it.  It's embarrassing to read you.

Well
Nelson made a claim ,thats what started this investigation
his claim relates to Pancake coils, he says there special.

MileHigh will now not allow this to be presented in a transformer investigation, he says that's not applicable to his question

If The Pancake coils cause a black hole to open up ...
if the word Transformer is used [or applied]

No good
gotta be just the coil or he's crying foul

yes that is actually where this has gone ....

whether or not other coils will work[or nothing works]


he has reworded his claim to remove Partzmans work from the definition [Nelsons too I suppose]

Whats so special about Pancake coils?

just sitting there on the table...
Just the coils??
HUH??

very confusing indeed sort of like the pole above with 5 members voting and ten votes cast

Quote from: ramset on May 04, 2017, 12:23:40 AM
I think what is going on here is Miles hates the fact that we're even discussing this, and even more so that we're investigating a claim from Nelson

a claim which seems to have Much merit
pancake coils are special ,and now we get a chance to investigate Partzman's MEI work

and then MH apparently took over the thread which he said was fair game
because Evo left here due to bad behavior and disrespect of his topic

I only stepped in because he was calling Nelson an attacker ,intimating he was in some violation of TOS

sad stuff to read tho [moderatings and such

I will just comment on this one to remind people that I first reproduced Partzman's observations of COP>1 _measurements_
using a Bifilar _solenoid_ coil (or if you prefer, air core transformer) , not a "special" pancake coil.

So... we are back to the original problem posed by MH. This is a legitimate and important question and should be a seed for discussion, not personal attacks and innuendo. What is "special" about the Tesla Bifilar-wound, serially connected pancake coil? Other than its lower resonant frequency and energy storage, both due to increased interturn capacitance in a correctly constructed coil.... which also apply to solenoidal coils ... to my knowledge nothing "special" has been conclusively shown, even by Nelson's demonstrations. (Let's not forget that in Tesla's time "high frequency" applied to anything much over 1 MHz and it was strongly to his advantage to be able to reduce the required frequency in his experiments.)

Several myths have been soundly debunked along the way, such as the howler of TheOldScientist's still unretracted video claiming half the DC resistance of the TBF winding compared to monofilar winding with the same total length of wire, as well as various claims from others about inductance,  AC and DC and pulsed DC magnetic fields and so on. 

This is not to say that flat coils have no advantages in _any_ cases. Clearly a flat coil makes for a better induction cooking hob. There are probably many other applications where a flat coil's magnetic field distribution may be advantageous for particular applications -- perhaps even for junkyard scrap-lifting or steelyard plate-lifting electromagnets. This is a matter of geometry, not electrical "magic".

If you want to see some real "magic" coils, take apart an old CRT monitor sometime. The horizontal deflection yoke coils put the lie to claims that "conventional science" doesn't understand magnetic fields and how to produce and manipulate them to achieve precise results.

Quote from: ramset on May 04, 2017, 01:55:56 AM
just sitting there on the table...
Just the coils??
HUH??

I'm not showing the rest.  You can all see it when it's well past turning back to the
good ol' days.

As for MH...

"Eagles listen not to the chirping of sparrows."