Quote from: TinselKoala on May 04, 2017, 07:58:21 AM


If you don't see that as an attack, there is something seriously wrong here. Perhaps it is a language problem or a cultural divide, but it is definitely a hurtful statement. You can nitpick about semantics, saying "there is a proverb that says" is somehow different from saying directly "Mile High is like an ownerless dog"... but it isn't really different at all in its hurtfulness.

I refrain in my sentence that is a proverb , but if you understand like a attack what i could do about that ?  is your opinion and i respect . but someone that go attack even friends just because don't agree with their point of view to me fits very well in that proverb. Is like he say to i kiss their ass , maybe to you no problem but maybe to me is a way of language aggression .

cheers

Nelson Rocha

Quote from: nelsonrochaa on May 04, 2017, 07:51:40 AM
I did not attack anyone i just say :"There is a proverb that says people like him are like  "dogs that do not know the owner"
Did you want that i explain to you what means ?

That is calling dog to anyone ?  is a proverb . Are so difficulty understand that ? Is the language barrier that are make fog when you read ?
People have eyes to read clear all the posts .
And What truth hurts me ?    are you referring to what objectively? Is that your argument to make their defense?
How i see i'm a visceral aggressor come on stop joking .

cheers

Nelson Rocha

I get why you didnt care for that post from MH. He went right for the "you need help in electronics" and you took offense to that. It used to be that he would say this place was for people to learn electronics, and apparently that is not what he says these days.

Just follow my lead and ignore. Read if you like but replying just gets ya what ya get. You throw a stone and he brings the sword. You bring the sword and he brings the gun.  Its always a 'one up', as in to out do your comeback replies with escalating name calling etc..  If some others here dont agree, Ill show 'at least' 10 examples of exactly that, from this thread alone AND only going back to where I joined in. Been looking.  Any challengers on that claim I just made?? 

Anyway, just chill and ignore. Its not worth the wear on the keyboard.

Mags

If I may put a line in the sand at this ongoing investigation into Pancake coils discussion.
an intermission of the Fist ti cuffs ,we can resume @$#%#@ shortly

I did put out a call to membership to Buy Brad a scope [a few hours ago]
the Funds are here
also there are extra funds to go To Tinsel [several specific requests

just hung up with Brad ,
and he'd be wasting money buying it in OZ when we can
get it so much cheaper [exchange rate]


I will also be talking with Stefan about how we can make these contributions to builders a part of the forum here

he had some ideas

intermission over...

Before you go " talking scopes ".....

I wish to resign from the role of moderator.

I lost a friend yesterday and upon deep reflection I realised that perhaps my thoughts are a little outdated for the present times.

My sincerest apologies.

Graham.

Russ Gries response to Tinman video #3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyG3F_4-TLo

haha, well you realize that you were the one who made up the test that I was doing... as I stated in my video, " I don't think this is the proper way of doing this measurement" and that's why I was saying it, just as you explained it here in this video
anyhow, it did tell the story of what is happening in the circuit.

However your clam from the beginning was that there WAS more current flowing in R2 than there was in R1. That was the clam, but from what I have seen you do in this series of videos is you haven't measured a voltage anywhere to back up that clam.

So, if you use a light bulb (a restive load) to check "current" then you can indeed get a light to light with less voltage and more current. See what I'm trying to say here? I would like you to measure a Voltage with a reference ground point outside the coil. (so not anywhere in the coil) this is basically what I was doing in my last video, measuring the voltage of L1+R1 and L2+R2.  So if I would stick a resistor R3 on the side where your positive is coming from your FG then I would measure the exact amount of current as R1.  there for just as you said, what goes in must come out, however, what you measure inside the coil ( L-C circuit and if you add the R2 then it is a parallel L-C-R circuit) is different.

so at the end of the day, you might be putting in 1 watt, But if you can get this circuit "pumping" then you can measure "more" current in the L-C-R "tank" type circuit. that's how these type of circuits work.

Of course there is capacitance in this coil. That's the entire reason why Tesla dezigned this coil. Over all the years Ii have played with high capacitance coils (This is what Stan Meyers VIC injection bobbin dose) all that extra capacitance sets up a Self L-C circuit. And if you want to include the resistance of the wire then it's a fill blown R-L-C circuit.

So having that capacitance is very helpful for some applications.

What happens in a L-C circuit? At some point you get maximum current flow. That is at the resonant point.
So it makes good sense that you can "measure"  more current  with in the circuit than what your FG can put out, as you have pointed out.
I hope this helps you understand what we are dealing with here.  We can think outside the box but only if we cannot explain it in the box first.
Think of it as a laser cavity. You can get MAGAWATS out of a laser cavity. However if you add up all the inputs of 1w pulses of light over the given time domain of the pumping  ( so 1watt x the time pumped) then you can see how its possible to get that 1 megawatt worth of power out of that device.
If you don't calculate the TOTAL energy input over the time, then it's a mystery why you can get 1megawatt out when your only putting 1 watt in???

Now if we were thinking outside the box is  when we can sustain a 1 megawatt output while still putting in only 1 watt...
Hey, are we having fun yet  I am!
Also that's why the Rodin coil testing was so interesting, its because I could measure the output Vs input, and I'll be darn, I could get 1 amp in and 1 amp out, however the VOLTAGE was 40:300???
I was seeing an extra 800Watts in my Rodin coil testing...
So if I could "tap in to" that power and extract that extra Voltage, and NOT disturb the input ( so capacitive or dielectric coupling only) then it might just might be possible to use that "extra" power that is being generated in that coil ( using its self-capacitance and resistance and inductance)
Wow that was a long response, but I fell text will be better than a video for this one
~Russ