Today I made a new version that balances the gravity factor out to zero and
then I get 192% work out vs work in.

I driving the rotation with
2 5/16 nuts traveling 3.125 inches giving 6.25 units of work in.
2 5/16 nuts are lifted 3 inches for 180 degrees and with 360 then
we have 2 x 56 = 12 units out....

That is way better than I was expecting.

That is strictly centrifical/centrifugal force only....

Norman

Quote from: norman6538 on August 31, 2017, 04:10:32 PM
Today I made a new version that balances the gravity factor out to zero and
then I get 192% work out vs work in.

I driving the rotation with
2 5/16 nuts traveling 3.125 inches giving 6.25 units of work in.
2 5/16 nuts are lifted 3 inches for 180 degrees and with 360 then
we have 2 x 56 = 12 units out....

That is way better than I was expecting.

That is strictly centrifical/centrifugal force only....

Norman

Can you post a video of your machine in operation please? thank you.

My upload to youtube of my first build fails. I'll work on that.
I am now way past that...
Meanwhile focus on the basics.

I started with Skinner and then got curious about centrifical force
and went here.

You have seen various centrifical forces..

1. water in bucket swung over your head does not fall out.
2. moon, satelites keep their orbit because centrifical
  force and speed and gravity are matched.

No. 3 below really got me convinced...

3. rope and 2 weights by wacky scientist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3BSkMj1wLc
Centrifugal Force : Dramatic demonstrations in Physics by Prof
Julius Sumner Miller
rope 1 gram lifts 10 gram at  8m 25sec

4. screwdriver or drill rotating a weight goes wacko
     with its wobble....  can't take that to the bank....
   
II. Then I got more curious - how could I measure that to know how much work in/out

5. I made the device above to measure centrifical force and got work in/out  120%   -- impressive.  Now I'm off an running....

As you can guess the device above is very sensitive to the balance
of the weight dropping to rotate the rotating weight and the weight
being lifted... The faster it spins the more centrifical force and the more
weight lifted....

It really works. The above design has some serious losses in it but I have measured it in two devices and both are OU - more work out than in.

You basically know all you need to know now...
But it needs some enhancements to get more power.
I'm working on them now...Then comes the power out
feedback. That is very difficult because the "make power" and
"apply power" must be two entirely separate systems -
they can't be coupled directly together very tightly like gears/belts.....
I have those plans but not yet built....
My brain bursts come slowly....but they do come...
I have worked at this stuff for about 15 years and have boxes
and boxes of stuff I made and tried.

I do rapid prototype to show the concept then I can
always go on to a Naudin type impecable presentation.

I am so excited I can hardly rest these days. I can't believe this
has been overlooked all these years...We fly airplanes everyday
and use satellites for internet communication but have not harnessed
centrifical force for power.

Norman

This reminds me of a vacuum centrifugal pump that first suck air to lift water which finally enters the pump.
With enough RPM's you can essentially lift anything with the centrifugal force. However, the further out the mass that is being rotating is (as the weight you want to lift moves upwards), you must apply energy to keep up the RPM, because angular velocity of that rotating mass will increase.
You can easily calculate kinetic energy of the rotating mass, and compare it to the potential energy in the weight you lift up from the ground. They should be very similar.


If you have reached 20% overunity (120% efficiency), then congratulations :-)


Vidar

Quote from: Low-Q on September 04, 2017, 09:53:19 AM
This reminds me of a vacuum centrifugal pump that first suck air to lift water which finally enters the pump.
With enough RPM's you can essentially lift anything with the centrifugal force.



Thanks for your comment Vidar.  I never thought that far.
I guess that is part of the Tesla turbine and the Schuamberger stuff.

My enhancements gave me 192%. I never expected that much.

Norman




However, the further out the mass that is being rotating is (as the weight you want to lift moves upwards), you must apply energy to keep up the RPM, because angular velocity of that rotating mass will increase.
You can easily calculate kinetic energy of the rotating mass, and compare it to the potential energy in the weight you lift up from the ground. They should be very similar.


If you have reached 20% overunity (120% efficiency), then congratulations :-)


Vidar