A one meter rod can be made to have a mass of 1 kilogram. One hundred such rods stacked on end on top of each other would have a mass of 100 kilograms. Place this 100 kilograms on one side of a 1900 kilogram Atwood's (950 kilograms on each side of a pulley).

The acceleration rate is 9.81 m/sec/sec / 20 = .4905 m/sec/sec.

When the entire stack of rods is dropped only one meter the final velocity of the whole 2000 kilograms would be; .99045 m/sec (d = ½ v²/a). This would be a momentum of 1980.9 units. The single rod at the bottom of the stack could be sent back up to the top of the stack with the consumption of only 44.29 units of momentum. The other 97.76% of the motion can be used to turn an electric generator.

Quote from: Delburt Phend on October 24, 2018, 08:54:39 PM
If the student on the chair, with barbells, can reduce the radius of the mass to one half then the rate of rotation doubles. This is the increased motion you see; but the linear momentum has remained the same.

You are confusing angular momentum with linear momentum.  They are not the same.  In angular momentum the direction of movement is constantly changing.  Linear momentum is in a straight line.  You are also incorrect when you state the conservation of angular momentum does not work in the lab.  The experiment in the chair proves that is does.

Citfa hi can't help but notice as you appear to be a knowledgeable guy who has experience in the zero point
I feel you might already have the knowledge or even a developed device by your comments any chance you can share
anything of interest?

Quote from: AlienGrey on October 26, 2018, 06:53:20 AM
Citfa hi can't help but notice as you appear to be a knowledgeable guy who has experience in the zero point
I feel you might already have the knowledge or even a developed device by your comments any chance you can share
anything of interest?

I am probably not nearly as knowledgeable as you think.  But I do have many years of experience working in electronics and on industrial machine tools so I have learned a few things along the way.  I do NOT have an OU device as yet, but I know a couple of guys that are getting close.  I believe they probably already have something working. 


Here is a link to the research and work they have been doing for several years:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19774-basic-free-energy-device.html



  I also have worked with them on and off over the past 7 or 8 years or so.  I know from our research that it is definitely possible to run a load for much longer using the 3 battery generating system than if you just ran the load directly off of the three batteries.  At least a dozen or so of us have proven that on the bench.  Energy CAN be recycled.  But most of the naysayers on that forum and this one insist that is not true.  They will not take the time to properly set up and run the tests.  You must use reasonable size batteries and keep the current down.  The reason for that is that lead acid batteries do not take a charge quickly very well.  The larger batteries help because they have a lower internal resistance.  This allows them to take the charge easier.  But you will see most people insist on using small batteries and larger loads and then complain the system doesn't work.

Now if you couple the 3 battery system with a super efficient generator you can then go above a COP of one.  I have not gotten to that point yet.  Dave (Turion) has posted publicly that he has a generator that is more than 100% efficient.  But he has had problems with it overheating and is currently in a major project of renovating his old house so it can be sold and remodeling his new house so he can move into it.  So he has no time for research at this time.  He has revealed how to wind the coils to make the generator speed up under load and produce some serious power.  As I posted, he is still having problems with overheating that need to be worked on.


Here is another link to the original thread where you can read about all the effort and years of research we did before we finally decided how to best use the 3 battery generating system:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system.html


Carroll

If angular momentum conservation in the lab is such a solid law then why does it not have experiments where they measure the mass; they measure the radii; and confirm the speed by other means.

The ballistic pendulum experiments measures the mass of the bullet (steel ball) and the mass of the receiving block (cup). The experimenter only measure the radius to determine rise; and thy confirm the speed by other means. These are real experiments.

The ballistic pendulum can be two pendulums where the incoming mass is also a pendulum bob (such pendulums do exist in the literature). The combined mass of the steel ball and cup will then swing up to indicate the speed of the combined mass. You could use d =1/2v²/a: d = rise a = 9.81 m/sec/sec to determine initial velocity; energy need not come into the experiment.

The incoming pendulum can be much longer than the cup pendulum. The two pendulum lengths become the same when the incoming pendulum string contacts the top of the cup pendulum.

The ballistic pendulum experiment need not be in a vertical plane: it can be done in a horizontal plane. The speed changes would be exactly the same; but of course the cup on a rod would no longer be a pendulum. But the speed could be determined by a photo gate.

There are a large number of videos on the internet that show ballistic pendulums, most are the modern spring gun and cup types. You will not get to far into the video when they tell you that ballistic pendulums conserve linear momentum. Some time they do not mention the word linear; but mv is linear. They never mention radius in the formula so you know it is linear momentum being conserved.

'Linear momentum' when the combined mass is moving in a circle. These experimenters do not believe that linear means a straight line. Because the final momentum is not in a straight line.

The energy of the steel ball is not conserved; typical 80% or more is lost.

Angular momentum is not even mentioned in ballistic pendulums. You could easily construct a collision between pendulums of different lengths. But this would prove that angular momentum conservation is false (in the lab) so this experiment is never done. The non-experiments of chairs and skaters has caused a mind block that delayed the advancement of knowledge.