I just now ran across this post and I feel compeled to say something. First I would like thank the person who started this topic and I'm sorry you got so riduculed for saying what you did. Second, Mramos that picture of me was taken at another house (I don't smoke). Third, I haven't live in Oklahoma for over 4 years (I've been a resident of Colorado since then) Hans, I might of got a patent if I had got a lawyer, like this guy did. He got a patent on this "riduculus" electric light 24/7 solar device patent# 6660929. There is another granted patent that actually cites this patent and my patent application as "prior art" (I rather not disclose this patent #). This patent deals with the same theory. My hydro and air theories deal with psi pressure on turbine blades and have nothing to do with "middle age technology", They didn't have high pressure electric water pumps or air compressors back then.These ideas are not "perpetual" I made a big mistake and used this word on my patent apps (the ones I did well 5 years ago). By the way I didn't claim to use a "off the shelve motor" on my Dynamotor patent application (my latest ultility patent app). I was misunderstood in a phone conversion with a certain person. I gave up in frustration trying to correct this statement on this particular website. In the patent app itself (patent discription)I claimed the electric motor needed to produce 3600 rpm at full load (for the particular generator I was using) There is no off the shelve motor within the needed power requirments for this particular example. The main reason the patent office denied my applications was due to the fact they required me to build prototypes (I tried but I didn't have the funds to build a proper prototype) If I had hired the right patent attorney I probaly could got around this requirment. The person who started this thread said something about the "mib's" I'm not worried about them at all(the government), but I'm a little concern about some people from Oklahoma who tried to claim some my ideas as there own( there so stupid they could be dangerous) I thought of each one of my 11 concepts (that I did patents on) all my myself with no help from anyone and I will keep working alone and behind the scenes promoting these ideas (the concepts themselves are in my opinion to basic in nature to be patented) The componets used in these concepts are a totally different story.If these concepts work (which I do believe the underlying basic concepts do work) The legal nightmare will take years to sort out. By that time it will be to late for the human race (for the most part) Well anyway, I hate forums (because all the negativity I've encountered on them) I've had the exact same things said me at least 20 times on forums and so called experts in person (the middle ages connection and the pertual motion remarks) I have a good "lol" whenever someone "lol" at me on a post. I probably won't respond to anymore on this thread if anyone wants to talk to me you can e-mail me Robert Jackson (an American)

Hans,I feel force into doing this post and I do resent it. I think the rat in the maze applies to you more than me,after all 30 years is how long you spent trying to figure out what Keely did or where you referring to yourself when you said this. I've only been at it for 6 years. I think Keely was a great man and I think it was a shame what the powers that be at the time(JP Morgan) did to him. I think your results will be the same in the next 30 years as the last 30 years.Net result =0.I will now use a quote from you directed at me "You shouldn't get belligerent when someone like me points this out" I have my own therories on how Keely did it. As for myself any efforts of mine will be with my 5th fe device (my favorite) My self charging battery ( my theory on how the ancient egyptians created electricity) I plan on improving a prior patent I've done on this(unpublished).I will take these ideas to my grave. Anything I do in the future is just for myself.My will to save the world has left me lol  Well anyway, I think you should put some more cheese in that maze and then you might get somewhere.

Rob the person who started this thread did so as a means to elevate himself from defaming myself.
I would not take this person seriously, i have learned the hard way and got my time wasted.

absorb what is useful reject what is useless.

I feel everyone has a right to voice there opinion. Here is another tidbit: If the patent office thought my hydro patent app was so ridiculus then why did they send me copies of 3 patents they claim was" prior art" to my patent app (all 3 dealt with electric water pumps and hydro generators) All claim to produce more power than it took to run the water pumps. 2 were Japenese done in 1983 and 1 was american. 1 of the japanese patents claim to have a working device that had 33% overunity(this one was similar to my idea). The patents were in japanese except for the drawings,

I would like to clarify something else: Only 5 of my patent apps were rejected not 9 .The patent office claimed my ideas were impossible but at the same time presented me with numerous examples of prior art (my main promblem). Patents are virtually impossible to get without a patent attorney. By the way how many patents do you guys have (the people who did posts on this thread) If any, are they worth anything? I hold people to same standards that are placed on me(by the patent office and others) prove it by building a working device or shut up. I hope someone does.  Robert Jackson  Tsing Hua University say: Soundman finds lost chord and lead out enough energy to power China