CIA  agents against the establishment. : CITIZENS INSTIGATING ANARCHY  Cheers and SKOL
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Yeesh,Lanca Maybe raise the  Bar a little bit
how about starting an Org like Green Peace for FE ?
not so Much "Burning man" .... real science, real results and most of all WORKERS !!builders... experimenters etc etc etc
so far... we only have one planet ...lets fix things

just a note on your link of ancient living things on the planet ...nothing really over 12000 years
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12000 year solar micro nova   "rinse and repeat" cycle
??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqeaD-Cv8L4

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how about starting an Org like Green Peace for FE ?




Didn't Stephan already do that ?

"BURNING MAN" ? http://hexayurt.com/
The old scene did something Free Research for off-grid living,the new BM is today more a Media Event !
We have some FE devices but which is for whom appropriate.  ?
Stationary/fixed living or making part from the "urban nomad"-society. ?

DC or AC micro-grid

100 Watt perpetuum generating,1000 Watt perpetuum,......
With small/middle/huge battery storage. ?

The conversion project as DIY-plan/scheme with know-how instructions in words + images/ pictures. ?
Used parts recycling/refurbishing and/or new industrial materials. ?

Conventional batteries ( used electric car batteries recyle) or :


Metal powder battery

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Bio-material- battery

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What is the specific consumer his idea/plan/project ?
Which his investment limit ? His motivation/handcraft skills limit. ?

Alone releasing or as local group member !?

Which his minimum and maximum Watt peak per hour and per day wish/demand  ?!
Which his climate area : hot desert or humid arctic/ cold ocean near. ?

After more than 30 years existence :
have GREENPEACE,ROBINWOOD and other ECO-groups with thousands of members soon an :

off-grid /sustainable living handbook ( with all instructions and parts deliverer references/sources. ?

Before/later -comparison examples. ?

A cooperation with such "social eco-villages" worldwide as "teste and success/error approvation field" https://www.tamera.org/ whose habitants will approve new concepts and new methods/techniques. ?

A cooperation with SOS-Kinderdorf with thousands of organized villages. ?
Do they not also wish "free water/free energy/free.... " concepts and work later as local/national e-missionaer?


                           ECO-peace path finder

Chet, how and when you will find your search/found " peace"  ?

Smokey,Not sure I ever read about Stefan having an Org ,read his mission Statement plenty !!Lanca takes "hands on" one reaching out for the next .I had read ...you will know them by their works ?
not by their walls...
a truth below.
Snip

A traveler came upon an old farmer hoeing in his field beside the road. Eager to rest his feet, the wanderer hailed the countryman, who seemed happy enough to straighten his back and talk for a moment. "What sort of people live in the next town?" asked the stranger.
"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer, answering the question with another question.
"They were a bad lot.  Troublemakers all, and lazy too.  The most selfish people in the world, and not a one of them to be trusted.  I'm happy to be leaving the scoundrels."
"Is that so?" replied the old farmer.  "Well, I'm afraid that you'll find the same sort in the next town.
Disappointed, the traveler trudged on his way, and the farmer returned to his work.
Some time later another stranger, coming from the same direction, hailed the farmer, and they stopped to talk.  "What sort of people live in the next town?" he asked.
"What were the people like where you've come from?" replied the farmer once again.
"They were the best people in the world.  Hard working, honest, and friendly.  I'm sorry to be leaving them."
"Fear not," said the farmer.  "You'll find the same sort in the next town
end snip
Lanca ....Peace ?
do the next "right" thing ,

you want to change the World ?"Be" that change
Chet K