Wesley,let us talk about the U.S.A.,

' in God we trust'
this 'God' based by romano-catholic and the later reformists= evangelists the base,and the Bible,as Old Testamente and New Testamente divided !

So ,economically we can define  : " USA-God made in Europe " !


You call yourself 'scientifical' :

first philological  problem : the Earth age by your Jew-religion and by Earth-geologic science,counting
with up to7 Bio.years planet age

tactical and logical solution :

okay,we can diminuate the Jew-culture Welt-Bild only valid for the Mesopotamian (Ur,Uruk,....)up to mediterrain Levante/Egypt region and taking Jew-calendarium for this era as historical thrue

But there are  geopolitical many others folks with older traditions and philosophies than the Juda-Estate was in age!

From El,Yahwe to Zeus/IOS/DIOS to the anglo-saxonic God-Estate Confederation :

problem : from Europe migrated many different folks with many different cristian philosophy traditions/rituals to North-America,Canada and the US,over 16./17.18.: 1776 19.20. century 100 Millions and more .

Extremists, orthodox,making the US to the 'New Pilgrim Paradies' and saecular-non orthodox as refugees from the inner-european centuries during 'cuius regio,

'cuius religio' = the leader defines for his folk the right religion/philosophy
              Dictation not,Tyrann-/Bully-zation


and the consequencional wars-between countries/inner-civilian/inner-families,influencing/enforcing  this migration ( to and from these countries,royal/imperial)

but also many poors,surplus-childs-riches(poor in material richdom),with hope to find their luck in the New World/Nuevo Mundo
but also sended - during colonial time,- unwished prisioners,dissidents,criminals( murder et cet.)
or as sold 'surplus humans' by many european estates as soldiers and new settlers

or by 'non grata at home'-declaration ~ ex-communication


in North-/Middle- or South-America


                  Home-less people


Donald J.Trump is a grandson from such a 'non grata'-migrant and his grands were migrants by poorness !
This family Trauma : not making part from the original New England"-Grands,300 years and more Americans,

                                               Before or since 1776 living in  the U.S.A.(Estate flagg stripes Patrizier )  !

                                   The Grands ~ the Establishment
                                   Trumps ~ proletariat

Historical no-bodies !


Trump and the Republican Party their members,their voters :

speaking,writing about 'Proud boys and girls"-ness
Trust,honour,faith


Cristianity,orthodox=streng=pure

Let us look for ' streng-pure' c(h)ristianity :

The right to become : family,marriage by fixed Church Constitution rules

Family number : free,max.1 child                               get family name,title,patrimony       
                             -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


                             social work,unfertil the second       new name

                            military work,the third ,unfertil,death wished  no-name but number



The day-by-day ' exerzitien/demanded lessons  by traditional rules : clauster gives nearer advices ' how to'

                        the sunday-mess-visit-obligation/demand : Constitutional Church law/-s



before marriage coitus vulgo se.x  not allowed,both virgin,personal distance,observer,24/365 life testemonials


Now,the interestant question !  ?

Marriage minimum age ? Classical 'full authority/of legal age ?
                         Example :

Baruch de (E)Spinoza,with 23 years WITHOUT full authority,Tutor/Mentor need ,but Jewish ( in NL) !

                       
Cristian minimum LEGAL age : orthodox/evangelicals  take the Jesus Deo Criste Aera as Ideal !
                       - 0,001 p.C.:  legal age ? Legal age for marriage and the first coitus non interruptus ?

                      More factors,beside age,for full authority ?



When the childs/kids in the Bible Belt receive the KLERIKAL LIFE CODEX to read,the DICTATION,
I do not think that we will speak anymore long about " Bible Belt" ! Inner-familiar Cisme

Bigamisten,Haeretiker,Blasphemisten : Die Wahrheit,die reine Wahrheit,nichts als

            DIE WAHRHEIT

Ohne/Without Pseudo-Religiositaet/Religiousity: nothing to offer !
No hold,no home !
That is the unfaked TRUTH

Orthodox : old book open     pseudo- orthodox: old book closed,newer books open       
     

                                cleverness ! Thinking !
                                                          Bible-Orthodox :

+ Under biblical minimum legal  age : KINDERSCHAENDER,Satansbrut,Heimat-los



                   keine Kinder Gottes,kein Kirchenbesuch erlaubt,keine Taufe,Keine Sakramente

                                                                        8
     ACHT,clerus-8 : Vogelfrey -Deklaration : ~ simple translation 'outlaw' : (Death deinquent + total family)
       
     and also death penal for eventual helpers

                 The OLD Bible-fest(-halten) times were really 'Streng/Extreme'  ! And moerderisch ! Bloodtax !
                But we live now 2020 with a saecular Bible,not Commandment Constitution representing
            --------------------------------------------------------------------

            Bible-unabhaengig/independent:  catholic is the demand of all : perfect,100% ready


             
          Erbschuld und die katholische Geburten-Selbst-Kontrolle,Erbfolgegesetz  :

         mathematisch-logisch-geophysikalisch wird JEDE Frau,Mutter,auf dieser Welt,egal welcher Konfession
        zugehoerig oder konfessionslos gegenueber Ihrem Kinde mit  der zweiten Geburt (bzw.Geminis)



                                                                         'satanisch/Natur-zerstoerend'


      Nicht ein Rabbi,Priester oder Lehrer, gibt Wahrheit sondern die pure Mathematik,
      die aber auch von Priestern und   Rabbi,Lehrern angewandt werden kann zwecks :

        Glaubens-/Wissens-Lehre mit Folgerung : Bereich Dynamik,in sich vergroessernden Mengen bei einer Erde !

      MENGENLEHRE,set theory           and             humans population set practizise


                                    Stress set theory and stress set experience actually worldwide !

Maths + economy :   2.te,3.te,+ Births-number childs  social class : Proles,Heloten ,classical titulation
All families with more than 1 child : Proletariats-membership= Communisten by Marx-Definition



   Communists by Surplus-Ficking and Nature destroying







Wesley,do not be so modet : you are dancing very well
around the golden ancient calw now ' golden F.E.D.',by method a permanent mobile system

but golden only in virtual definition,not as bonds covering physical Gold-ounces reserves !
      dancing ~ inner-US american market behaviour of simulated buying/selling without real funds

Quote from: ramset on November 20, 2020, 09:01:45 AM

I remember a member who proposed an experiment?
A laser at a distance ?

Respectfully
Chet K

Chet,

Above is DONE a Hundreds of time's in the past 10 years, and told you!

Try to turn some more Stones, with eyes open?

Johan

Quote from: stivep on November 20, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
What kind of authority you are giving me here?

Nothing, what is Wiki in these days, part of:

Donald J.Trump twittered ( very much) and in the last hours,recitating :
         Jeremia,Psalm/Vers  1,19

      ~   " ...... (*) am with You "
(*) ,by my O-pinion : 1. 2. 3.


The show will go on,open end

Sincerely


p.s. : Ach,Johan_1955,frei nach deutschsprachiger fielmann-Werbung,
         "Was soll blosz aus (Dir) Ihnen werden ?",wenn Sie mal Gross sind !
         wikipedia und die internationale Medienlandschaft kann man als Informationsquellen nutzen,

        es existiert aber immer noch,die papierne Hausbibliotheqe und oeffentliche

         Buechereien,Buchandlungen,Antiquariate,vielleicht auch noch alte Schul-/Studien-Buecher
         Mit Familie,Verwandten,Bekannten,Freunden,in froehlicher oder besinnlicher 'Runde' frei

        diskutieren,Ansichten vergleichen !? Altersteilnahme: un-/beschraenkt !?

         Ausserparlamentarische Parlamente : Basis-Demokratie,pardon,DeOkratie !?

        Kontakt zu Lehrern,Uni-Dozenten,Akademien-Mitgliedern ?
        Info aus 1.Hand oder 2ten deren Hand : Fehlerquellen beachten,Fake/Taeuschung inklusive !

       

       Das internet laesst uns eine Art von elektronischer Welt-Buecherei frei on-line zukommen,
      bis in die 90ziger war es das Fernsehen,die Zeitungen,Magazine

       keiner muss TV sehen,Keiner muss sich informieren 'muessen'
      Die persoenlichen Ziele weisen den Weg
       In Verlagen und unter Autoren
       das sind /waren Publizisten,mit guten und weniger guten Ideen,Visionen,Agitationen !

      Ja,auch Verfuehrer und Verfuehrte darunter ! Auch Luegner,Betrueger    Hitler-Tagebuecher   
      Der Markt ruft,verlangt nach Sensationen,Rekorde,Emotionen
      Oder ausstoepseln und raus in die Natur : elendiges Vogelgezwitscher,bellende Hunde,quakende Froesche,....
      Natur-Ruhe ,Langsamkeit.
       


        Zum Nase ruempfen,diese vielen Faxen,EINER  genuegt,Wickie-historisch  ! 

Wesley wrote:

Quote from: stivep on November 20, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
O Boy...my dear  Johan_1955...
Look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke Despite all controversy
What kind of authority you are giving me here?

Johan_1955 response:

Quote from: Johan_1955 on November 23, 2020, 08:24:12 AM

Nothing, what is Wiki in these days, part of:

Dear Johan_1955 I didn't ask you  about Wikipedia.
I'm surprised.
You Johan_1955 and lancaIV seem to act  not like Germans who are typically pictured as a very accurate precise people.
_____________________________________

It is not important  here, how  Wikipedia perceives David Icke
but
how is that both of you  gentleman, are dancing around, .... instead of just being as precise as German should be.
Your disconnected response is pointing at  some graph having nothing to do with Wikipedia.
Yes graph is interesting but  is disconnected .
You as disagreeing with David Icke biography from Wikipedia  should  be reflecting your own  position and support it .

_____________________


Nobody  denotes, or corrects facts  from David Icke biography so mentioned by  you weirdo David Icke 
in other sources  than Wikipedia is described exactly the same.
- controversial facts are not discussed in format logically defending  David Icke .
______________________

Propaganda takes pieces from  entire picture  and makes  people believe..
The same  was  done by David Icke
Wesley