Well i can understand that the efficiency over 100% is a perpetual element for sure.


Anyhow for any free thinking person would question mainstream science regarding how energy manifests and recycles it self like in nature because nature for sure does not waste energy like a normal electric circuit does as in cop under 1 or efficiency under 100% and if the cop and efficiency are under 100% for both then the understanding of mainstream is legit due to the energy configuration.


Circuits under 100% efficiency and cop is destroying the potential of nature and thus nature is completely opposite and thus for nature and the wasted circuit which are opposite have opposite laws of energy like as if it was incompatible.


Nature does not have energy dissipation so that problem in nature does not exist.

"How else should it be done then?", was always the immediate question. The answer is simple: "Exactly in the opposite way that it is done today!"
― Viktor Schauberger

What that quote means is that nature is perpetual with perpetual laws of energy, and the circuit that has energy that wastes as in no free energy is possible is incompatible and thus opposite/fully incompatible to each other.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/171550.Viktor_Schauberger

In every case do the opposite to whatever technology does today. Then you will always be on the right track.
Viktor Schauberger

https://www.azquotes.com/author/37236-Viktor_Schauberger

Quote from: antijon on February 09, 2021, 12:35:32 PM
Considering this thread is 2 years old, someone may have mentioned this before, but vapor-compression cycle heat pumps have a COP avg. of 3-4. Typical AC heat pumps used in millions of homes literally produce more heat than joule heating.

I'm just saying, joule heating may be simple, but it's not the most efficient use of energy for producing heat. So it's not really a shocker to achieve efficiencies greater than 100%.

heat pump ' work C.O.P. ' is not efficiency !
during the thermodynamic= space temperature increase  or cryodynamic cycle= space temperature decrease

the device PUMPS heat from heat deposit A to heat deposit B,
so we have the pump outer work/pump(-motor) own consume = C.O.P. !
In the past we have had by electric heat pump devices propagated BTU in Wattheat/Welectric C.O.P. 3,in real world temperature difference use average  C.O.P. 2 (winter down to C.O.P. 1)
pump electromagnetic motors with 80% peak efficiencies(full load)

by each unit electric energy use invested 3 units primary energy ( electricity generation and network efficiency )
https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Primary_energy( there are also gasmotor-driven heat pumps in existence )
ergo from primary energy calculation total mechanical  work C.O.P. ≤ 1 ,to PUMP= to MOVE  ,not to generate,heat !


it does NOT GENERATE  ( excluded : only in the electric motor windings  ) heat !

Even excluding the electric network losts and taking a wind wheel as heat pump drive we have to calculate with over 40% mechanical energy conversion losts = Betz-limit !

Next losts : circuit internal = turbulent/laminar flow

the flow medium/gas changes over the time its chemical strucure

the new device losts over the time peak efficieny through erosion = higher friction



We can compare the heat pump circuit with a solar collector circuit ,with/-out pump : thermo-syphon principle !
compressor heat pump versus absorption heat pump !
A good collector ,vacuum tube for example,converts/absorps  in average 50% from incoming energy to compressed  heat

From 100% free natural energy making 50% available,storeable !

(https://www.ee.co.za/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Vector%202012/siemens-111-fig-1.jpg)

photovoltaic device as "free energy converter"  versus "free energy conductor" : up to 50 times( or 5000%) ,point of view a. more b. less effective  !

5000% better but in total : underunity !     1% versus 50% efficiency

50 times better but in total : underunity !  1% versus 50% efficiency

Arithmetics and psychology :
A share with 100 base units worth looses 90% worth and wins 900% worth = process win/losts 0
100 -90% to 10 +900% to 100
A share with 100 base units worth wins 900% and looses 90% worth = process win/losts 0
100 +900%  to 1000 -90% to 100
                                                       

                                                        " -90% equates +900%"    " +900% equates -90%"

Set theory is a good tool to study nature and humans their i/logics and sur/real behaviour ,up to ..... = {   }

with or without " syntax error" ,geral syntax / individual his/her/its " syntax"


Pareto,Walras theory

Modern : fuzzy logics

Hyper-modern,learning,heat pumps are fuzzy logics incorporated !


a commercial 'conventional' heat pump example

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramsond-9-500-BTU-3-4-Ton-Ductless-Duct-Free-Mini-Split-Air-Conditioner-and-Heat-Pump-110V-60Hz-27GW2/203013142
heat pump 9500 BTU = 2785 W heat condution potential : given 1140 W electric consume

and by EE/PE factor 2,6 = 1140 x 2,6 = 2964 W primary energy input ,
http://insideenergy.org/2015/11/06/lost-in-transmission-how-much-electricity-disappears-between-a-power-plant-and-your-plug/

2785/2964 = C.O.P 0,94 by base primary energy input
2785/1140 = C.O.P. 2,44 by base electric energy input


The construction standarts today have as base "primary energy" so given number " Coverage Area (sq. ft.) : 400 "
2964 W/ 400 feets floor or 37,2 sqm = 80 W/sqm energy consume is far away ,and not allowed,

by modern economic construction normation ,low-e : 20 Wattpeak/sqm primary energy consume

and solar passive : 10 Wattpeak/sqm primary energy consume !

2964 Watt primary energy represents 148 sqm low-e and 296 sqm passive house floor area coverage !

https://isorast.de/ was in the 90´the trendsetter and " sponsor" from the https://passivehouse.com/  Dr.Feist Institute
Now,2021,Solar Passive House technology "open source/free" available !

Architecture design more than 2000 years old : gracian philosopher Sokrates his "solar house" concept !
http://www.naturalbuildingblog.com/sun-tempered-architecture-socrates-house/
old versus 2021 version comparison :
http://s5892.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/socrates-house.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/www.bioenergyconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/principles-passive-house.jpg?resize=768%2C439&ssl=1

New buildings constructor has cause "blower door tests" and "thermographical camera" not the chance to escape from these normations !



energy =
In thermodynamics, the exergy of a system is the maximum useful work possible during a process that brings the system into equilibrium with a heat reservoir, reaching maximum entropy.^[1] When the surroundings are the reservoir, exergy is the potential of a system to cause a change as it achieves equilibrium with its environment.  Exergy is the energy that is available to be used. After the system and surroundings reach equilibrium, the exergy is zero.  Determining exergy was also the first goal of thermodynamics. The term "exergy" was coined in 1956 by Zoran Rant (1904–1972) by using the Greek ex and ergon meaning "from work"^[1][3], but the concept was developed by J. Willard Gibbs in 1873.^[4]
Energy is neither created nor destroyed during a process. Energy changes from one form to another (see First Law of Thermodynamics). In contrast, exergy is always destroyed when a process is irreversible, for example loss of heat to the environment (see Second Law of Thermodynamics). This destruction is proportional to the entropy increase of the system together with its surroundings (see Entropy production). The destroyed exergy has been called anergy.^[2] For an isothermal process, exergy and energy are interchangeable terms, and there is no anergy.






Sincere
OCWL

p.s.: so a real power in/power out C.O.P. 10 amplification device/circuit/system in need 
       
        it has been the solar passive/active house pro/contra decision in the 80´ which made construction so costly
   
        more about the solar active house ? Phillips-house prototype,Aachen,1974
         https://passipedia.org/basics/the_passive_house_-_historical_review/passive_versus_active_measures_in_europe_america
                                                                                 
                                                                                   70´standart :
  Accordingly, with respect to "Normal" houses, it was possible to reduce the heating requirement by a factor of 10 to 20 in all climates

Another,here french R&D:
According   to   researches,   Trombe   walls   are   an effective  technology  for  reducing  heating  energy,  as much  as  47%  in  residential  cases  (Balcomb,  1992) and,  therefore,  they  can  be  used  as  an  efficient  and durable solar heating method.
http://ibpsa.org/proceedings/BS2011/P_1487.pdf

To lancaIV.
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Hi there,
Thank you for your post.
Our OU electrolysis concept is not related in any way to the devices, described in your last post, but anyway this post is very interesting. Please give me some time to consider it carefully.

Lobby and -ism :

Positionpaper related a study from 2 swissian students :
https://www.bundesverband-infrarotheizung.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/111220_BemerkungStudieLuzern.pdf

Prof. Dr. habil. H. Matschiner

page 3

So ist beispielsweise bekannt, dass eine 1800 W Heizung mit Glühdrähten und Keramikgrund nicht annähernd die Leistung einer 300 W IR-CNT-Heizung erbringt.

For example, it is known that a 1800 W heater with filaments and a ceramic base does not even come close to the output of a 300 W IR-CNT heater.

Physical in kcal output or physiological(=comfort) statement ?!

f.e. closed box :                       output/input 1800 W heater measurement

f.e. closed box :                       output/input   300 W heater measurement

                                                                     6 times difference !
                                                              Primary energy per sqm/hour ?


Same problem :
"A SIMPLE ELECTRIC HEATER, WHICH HAS EFFICIENCY GREATER THAN 1"               teste method ?!

To lancaIV.
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Well, as if I can't understand something. It is a basic axiom of electric enginnering that for a standard solid resistor the consumed electric energy transforms entirely into Joule's heat (DC circuit). You claim that this is not true?