Quote from: Cloxxki on March 13, 2023, 07:10:25 AM
Curious to learn of the legitimate technologies you encountered on your travels, did you post on them some place?

What's your present assessment of the MotoFlux thing?
"Proof of concept" after all those years. Why still all about torque and rpms and not about power in and out, let alone a self contained apparatus with just power out?
I think we agree that most magnet motor presentations are either scams or lack of understanding from the inventor. Or a cry for help thinking they are *this* close. What might be the case for MotoFlux? The scale of the build seems almost industrial. Why not build smaller, does something get impractical there, perhaps with the one-way bearings, rpm and cogging periods?

hey Cloxxi

I was curious about the whole torque calcs thing myself.  Also the VERY slow rpm they have it demonstrated at.

I mean right at the end of shaft where they put a disc brake and caliper why not put a winding with generator and use that to charge the battery which is driving the input??  Those are things that instantly hit me.

My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU.  The concept is good and essentially when you look at the diameter of the internal mechanical perm magnet 'leader" then essentially this is a low geared shifter which results in leverage on the outer stator.  Fact is they have chosen torque over electrical output and the internal design means that air resistance will prevent it getting up to high RPM which is another reason why they havent spun it up as a high speed turbine.  It simply wont work as such.  Inventors present calcs  that are going to flatter the design and put it in the best possible light.

They are chasing funding which means that they themselves are not happy with the proto and it need more development.  My assessment is that even with the strongest perm magnets its not a good design for the reasons above.  Laminated silicon steel that they are using has its limits in saturation.  Its a LOT of metal for very low output and a basic analogue design.    I would not invest in this and it wont go anywhere.

There are much better turbine based models similar to yildiz.  If you are going to use parallel path tech solid state like the flynn or Meg is better but even they are tricky.

I dont have a site where I display anything because most of the consult investigations are done under NDA. 

What I said in previous post is true.  There are literally thousands of good patents that were just ahead of their time.  Everything from harvest from atmosphere or water type fuels or a cross breed of catalytic conversion that utilizes materials at incredible efficiency.  Once Apon a time back in the 20's so much of it was not classified.  But much is hidden in plain sight.  The rest is obscured with the noise of ridicule and close minded boffins

There are a few old boys on youtube that actually present the real deal or at least very good principles to employ

I have seen far better than this NOT get funding.  The world is just not geared for change yet.  Its disgraceful.  But this motor design is very basic and not a good performer.  Thats my honest take without having the energy in and out presented in another way. 

Quote from: endlessoceans on March 13, 2023, 05:50:02 AM
Normally I would be inclined to agree with you and whilst Im not saying its 100% proven, the layout of the magnets are almost identcal to the Yildiz motor

I actually travelled the world investigating new tech so am familiar with the usual crap

As far as scam goes -

1)  you have to sell something to be a scam....he isnt selling anything
2)  its a damn long video for the sake of some hits on youtube that wont make him money to recover the cost of magnets
3) Given that perm magnets do NOT have a very long field of reach, and considering he picks up the device and is too far away from the table AND angles it different ways free-hand....I dont see how any perm magnet wheel under the table is going to be effective.  That also goes for any pulsing coil

Either way I have nothing to gain or lose nor am I affiliated with him.  Besides there are way better tech and solid state capture devices out there without buggering around with perm magnets.  This thread is about another magnetic flux path design and this little motor works in similar fashion.

I guess after reviewing over 850 patents going back 100 years on all sorts of tech, one thing I have noted is this.....the fraud and the REAL get ridiculed alike.  I have sat in front of directors and engineers assessing new GENUINE tech and they cannot grasp that there is something out there thats better than what they have.   

Human nature really is incredible.  The psychology of people wanting to know the secret to the magic trick and then when you show them they dont believe or want it.

Why do people cheat? if not for money then why?
For the popularity of the channel on YT! they think it will make them money someday but they just get bored and like to watch people see the truth out there. They're just having fun.

google key: free energy (3 340 000 000)
YT this some few millions

I am not aware of any credible modern device that has been independently proven. However, I know many that were probably scams, but less than 1% of all may be true.

Remember Trump's speech when he was running for president. He said there are about 5,000 patents that need to be released because they are classified. It will do humanity some good. Including free energy patents.
Why didn't he?! Because he wasn't allowed.
The hypocrisy of people and corporations is huge.
I know that such devices exist or mechanisms that can be used, but we must be dependent on oil, gas, electricity. What they give us is PV and that's it.

Quote from: endlessoceans on March 13, 2023, 07:54:12 AM
hey Cloxxi

I was curious about the whole torque calcs thing myself.  Also the VERY slow rpm they have it demonstrated at.

I mean right at the end of shaft where they put a disc brake and caliper why not put a winding with generator and use that to charge the battery which is driving the input??  Those are things that instantly hit me.

My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU.  The concept is good and essentially when you look at the diameter of the internal mechanical perm magnet 'leader" then essentially this is a low geared shifter which results in leverage on the outer stator.  Fact is they have chosen torque over electrical output and the internal design means that air resistance will prevent it getting up to high RPM which is another reason why they havent spun it up as a high speed turbine.  It simply wont work as such.  Inventors present calcs  that are going to flatter the design and put it in the best possible light.

They are chasing funding which means that they themselves are not happy with the proto and it need more development.  My assessment is that even with the strongest perm magnets its not a good design for the reasons above.  Laminated silicon steel that they are using has its limits in saturation.  Its a LOT of metal for very low output and a basic analogue design.    I would not invest in this and it wont go anywhere.

There are much better turbine based models similar to yildiz.  If you are going to use parallel path tech solid state like the flynn or Meg is better but even they are tricky.

I dont have a site where I display anything because most of the consult investigations are done under NDA. 

What I said in previous post is true.  There are literally thousands of good patents that were just ahead of their time.  Everything from harvest from atmosphere or water type fuels or a cross breed of catalytic conversion that utilizes materials at incredible efficiency.  Once Apon a time back in the 20's so much of it was not classified.  But much is hidden in plain sight.  The rest is obscured with the noise of ridicule and close minded boffins

There are a few old boys on youtube that actually present the real deal or at least very good principles to employ

I have seen far better than this NOT get funding.  The world is just not geared for change yet.  Its disgraceful.  But this motor design is very basic and not a good performer.  Thats my honest take without having the energy in and out presented in another way.

Cheers for the comments.
I do think we need to see a thing like this in the 1000s of rpm range. It may even need to be forced there, rather than self-run itself to that speed.

How do you rate other design "better" if we don't have a runner sitting in the shed selling energy to the grid under the guise of "solar" power?
If there really are 1000s of patents, then the problem is with the inventors, not the market that's against them. An inventor that wants their tech to be used, discloses it to enough people. Like a wax job, just a quick pull to get it over with. Loads of addresses, spam them all with wonderful fool-proof blueprints, and some with working miniatures. Brand the heck out of it and become an overnight celebrity. Instantly too late to be Stanley Meyered.

The company I was contacted by may have found a loophole, making the machines and just selling the energy under the market price. Under the radar. But kind of small scale and a well kept secret how it really works. From the shown models, it may well be the MotoFlux system, I wouldn't be able to tell from the outside. But it's running at over 1000 rpm and seems to be making the company some money. No legacy though, as it's all so secret and small scale.

Quote from: endlessoceans on March 13, 2023, 07:54:12 AM
My assessment -   I think given the low efficiencies of electric-dynamos, the issue is that the power factor will NOT be enough to drive to OU. 

Physics doesn't recognize OU. Here is video about cogging.
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Quote from: stivep on March 13, 2023, 10:39:03 AM
Physics doesn't recognize OU.

Once we have clear proof that magnets can help us to overunity when used correctly, physics will suddenly want to define whether it was done at high enough efficiency.

To do anything in this context with magnets, we may need to see them as solid straws attached to two vessels, one higher pressure, one lower. The stronger the magnet type the higher the flow per cm².
If we can get a good amount of momentum from the "snap" initiation when magnets come together, but switch the attraction off right at peak force to prevent decelleration, there might be a runner. No new concepts are being presented here.

From my limited understanding of magnets and motors, it seems this design is at least trying to get the pull, without waiting for it to complete the cogging. Because, why would you unless you're building a clutch? If I could get a super high torque clutch that way, I'd like that, actually.

If someone's understanding is there there is no energy to be extracted from magnets, there is no point for them discussing it.