Ok I'll give ya that one, but unless your going to replicate something here theres really no reason for you to post any more in this topic regardless of how you feel about our topic. Id say thats fair enough.
                                                                   Joe

@ Everyone:

Today, I obtained some hot dipped (zinc coated) nails for my tree trunk experiment.  While at the hardware store I found some 12" long zinc coated spikes! (Basically look like huge nails)  They were less than $1 USD ea.  I am not going to use the spikes on the tree but will play with them in the ground maybe see if I can't get this series thing to work.

I am going to use about 5 nails or so, driven part way into the tree near its base.  I am going to wrap them with wire to tie them in and check potential between them and the carbon rod.  I should also check between the nails and a zinc spike just to prove, if there is any voltage, that it is not galvanic, or at least not galvanic alone.  If I get anything worth looking at I will post another video.

@Localjoe:

How is your power amp circuit working?  I am very interested to hear about it.  I'm sure it is much colder where you are than here in Kentucky. (about 35 f now.)  Best of luck.

Bill

@bill
Well i tried it with some batteries just for the fun of it and the batteries voltage was 2.7 v 2 d'cells drained a lil, the output side yeilded 3.09 v so id did something .3 volts . I'm About to go outside with it now so i'll tell ya how it goes with that. I'm just trying it on the rods if i have time I'll nail something in the tree...

Steel wire may be more important here than we thought. Im going to explain something later a little off topic about a nemodium mag exp with a screw and some stray effects. But the wire and contact it makes with the magnet is what will co inside with our experiments here.
                                                                                          Joe

G'day all  OK fellows, here is the next installment.

Stubblefield continued.


The discovery that there was radioactivity involved in Stubblefield?s earth batteries puts an entirely different complexion on the matter.

My attention was drawn to William BARBAT ?s Self-Sustaining Electrical Generator  US Patent Application # 2007/0007844
In it Barbat says:

This disclosure introduces a technical field in which practical electrical energy is created in accordance with the overlooked exception to the energy-conservation rule that Herman von Helmholtz described in his 1847 doctrine on energy conservation: "If . . . bodies possess forces which depend upon time and velocity, or which act in directions other than lines which unite each pair of material points, . . . then combinations of such bodies are possible in which force may be either lost or gained ad infinitum." A transverse inductive force qualifies for Helmholtz's ad infinitum rule, but this force is not sufficient of itself to cause a greater energy output than input when applied to electrons of normal mass due to their unique charge-to-mass ratio. However, the increased acceleration of conduction electrons of less-than-normal inertial mass, as occurs in photoconductors, doped semiconductors, and superconductors, is proportional to the normal electron mass divided by the low electron mass, and the magnification of harnessable inductive energy is proportional to the greater relative acceleration, squared.
And further:

Magnification of magnetic force and energy was demonstrated by E. Leimer (1915) in the coil of a speaker phone and in the coil of a galvanometer when he irradiated a radio antenna-wire with radium. A 10-milligram, linear radium source produced a measured 2.6-fold increase in electrical current in the antenna-wire in comparing inaudible radio reception without radium to audible reception with radium.
He then cites
The same year that the English translation of Leimer's paper appeared in Scientific American, 16-year old Alfred M. Hubbard of Seattle, Wash., reportedly invented a fuelless generator, which he later admitted employed radium. Applicant interprets this as implying that Leimer's energy-magnification was utilized by Hubbard with feedback to make it self-sustaining.
And further

Lester J. Hendershot of Pittsburgh, Pa., reportedly demonstrated a fuelless generator in 1928 that was claimed by Hubbard to be a copy of his own device
Further down:

U.S. Pat. No. 4,835,433 to Brown superficially resembles the drawing of Hubbard's device. Brown's device appears to have the same number and essentially the same general arrangement of wire coils as Hubbard's generator, as nearly as can be understood from the newspaper articles depicting that device. Apparently no information concerning either the Hubbard or Hendershot devices was considered during prosecution of the '433 patent. Brown discusses the conversion of energy of radioactive decay products, principally alpha emissions, to electrical energy by amplifying electrical oscillations in a high-Q L-C circuit irradiated by radioactive materials. "During the absorption process, each alpha particle will collide with one or more atoms in the conductor knocking electrons from their orbits and imparting some kinetic energy to the electrons in the conductor thereby increasing its conductivity."

These are the relevant passages in Barbat?s patent application as far as our current enquiry is concerned.

Since everything that Barbat argues is based on a statement by Helmholtz in his groundbreaking paper ?Ueber die Erhaltung der Kraft? (On the Conservation of Force) I reasoned that the best place to start was right there. Having read the paper in the original German many years ago I needed to refresh my memory, especially since I could not remember any exception to the conservation of energy rule.
No wonder I could not remember it. It is an obscure comment by Helmholtz which he later retracted.


This is an English translation of the passage with a comment by Roberto Torretti in his book ?The Philosophy of Physics? of which this is a photocopy.
 



If Helmholtz had solid reasons, perhaps based on some observation of his, for making this statement we don?t know about it. Be that as it may, it appears that this statement formed the basis of research for a number of people, including Keely, Stubblefield, Hubbard, Leimer, Brown and now Barbat. There is no evidence I am aware of that Tesla used this as well, though he must have been aware of it since he worked with Stubblefield.

I have not been able so far to locate Leimer?s work so I will treat his research as read for the time being.

In my view these people interpreted Helmholtz in this way:

If a flow of force is created by a primary system that creates a flow of force in a secondary system by resonance, the output in the secondary system can be magnified by levelling a flow of force of a different character and velocity perpendicular to it. The resultant output in the secondary system is then larger than the input from both flows.

This is a big statement for it describes perpetual motion.


Or, perhaps more generally: The interaction of the two antagonistic flows creates a beat frequency which heterodynes with a larger field of unknown character and absorbs energy from it by resonance.

Keely did it with pressure waves, Brown, Stubblefield, Hubbard and Leimer used radioactivity and Barbat uses light, which he gets to interact with his secondary coil by coating the coil with cuprous oxide, turning it effectively into a solar cell.

Enough for now, there is more research to be done, but this is the way it looks to me at this stage of the proceedings. Feel free to comment

Hans von Lieven

@ Hans:

Excellent work. I need to back and re-read it once I post these photos of today's efforts.  Here are two photos of the tree array attempt using zinc coated nails and some stranded wire (16 ga.) stripped at the midpoints for wrapping around each nail.  The ends were connected together and a jumper attached.  Results as follows:

7 nail array (- side)                           Carbon rod in the ground (+ side)

1.25 vdc
1.9 vac
.19 mA

7 nail array                                       12" long zinc coated spike in ground about 6" deep.

.1 vdc (This was to show some voltage of the same metals)

12" long zic coated spike in ground 6" deep on n/s meridian (-)          Carbon rod (+)

1.13 vdc
1.7 vac
2.12 mA      (Note, this is the highest amp reading to date )

It was freezing out there.  I will leave the nails in the tree and the zinc in the ground and see if the potential increases over time.

@ Localjoe:

Interesting that you amplified dc voltage with that.  That gives me hope.

Bill