Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2007, 07:04:33 PM
Experiment::

take a steel or iron pellet of given weight,
you can calculate the ammount of energy (joules) required to melt the pellet - its a set number, based on known scientific constants, you HAVE to have X ammount of energy to melt that pellet.

Factors: Mass (g)   ,   Room Temperature (T) ,    Melting Point of Iron ( T1) 

Now, make a small static machine, like the 9-v PVC VanDegraff machine.

now, hold your electrods in a constant arc onto the iron/steel pellet, like a mini arc-welder
and measure the 9v current into the machine, measure the time it takes to melt
and Whalla - you can easily see that you've put into the machine approx 1 / 216th of the required energy to melt the stel balls.
(using the 8g steel balls i melted with a 9v battery)

now, obviously the energy is comming from the ions in the air, and the energy i put into the system was from the 9v battery, but the energy comming OUT of the system is exponentially greater tan the energy put in. WHY??  doesnt this violate some law of physics??   NOO

simply put, this is NOT a closed system, the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this system.

is it Overunity??  from our perspective , it Sure Is !! we take one 9v and turn it into a 40w arc welder that runs for hours.

sm0ky2,
Have you done this experiment? It sounds like you're saying you have. You actually melted steel balls with a small Van de Graaff generator? How big is the top dome of your Van de Graaff?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org

Quote from: Steven Dufresne on December 09, 2007, 09:36:45 PM

Quote from: sm0ky2 on December 09, 2007, 07:04:33 PM

sm0ky2,
How big is the top dome of your Van de Graaff?

-Steve

   OK,. for this experiment you will need not a dome. the Dome is for visual effects, and toys.
What you will need here is 2 electrodes, each fed with opposite charge, spherical shapes help, and their size is directly proportional to the ammount of charge you get from your generator.

similar to a wimhurst,  that has the 2 balls on swingable arms.  except mine are 2 grounding straps connected to anteana balls with a screw, and strapped to  insulating (wood) handles.

sorry if i gave you the wrong impression, whe i say "van de graff" i mean pretty much a belt driven static-electric generator.

vs one that uses disks., they both do the same thing, belts are very inneficient, but are a LOT easier to construct a working model, and also have the advantage of being able to work in moist air conditions.

@Pete : heres a pic of the first disk on bronze with first surface mirror ( solorray glass ), this one sandblasted 150 mesh , will glue the hub on with glassine glue ( eastman 910 ) lockthght will work too. when I get the second disk done I;ll start testing this weekend. MikeÃ, 

@Mike,
It took a minute to realize what you'd done. Nice work! How did you get such perfect lines and spacing?
-Steve
http://rimstar.org