Hans .... dam you for being so good.. Stellar report absolutely stellar  the end with the paradox is my favorite its physical evidence of vortex theory ...

So your three examples of Faraday's disk show proof of an ether and even more that thats where the energy is released from....

The disk has to spin to move the ether as far as i can tell.  And a magnetic field must be present thus the example with the cb antenna magnet with the soft iron shell. That would be the same as example 3

Im picturing a vortex at a 90 degree angle from the disk in between the magnet poles for the first example ...

The second doesent work because the disk has to do one of two things to open the vortex!

Either move by itself and break an existing flux field thus the one existing between the poles of the permanent magnet shown in example 1 from Hans

OR

Move with the flux feild of the magnet in synchronous orbit... Shown in example 3 from hans  On this example i guess i would have to say the vortex would be above and below the disc surrounding the perimeter.

Thats my explaination of the paradox if i have solved it merry christmas

Now example 4 for instance im making this one up because i feel it is left out. Just like the disk like in example 3 has the magnet moving around it and it is spinning on its axel but by a motor at a much faster speed and the magnet is kept moving along a circular linear track i think we have antigravity.....

For every action there is an equal and opposite re action wow hans I'm blown away, this really helped me understand some concepts better.  My ideas on where the physical vortex placement may be wrong but i believe that the rest is dead on.
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G'day Joe,

Thanks for your kind words.

Did you know that Helmholtz wrote a book called "?ber Wirbelbewegungen (1858)" (about vortex movement) which is the foundation of hydrodynamics and modern vortex theories. Unfortunately I have only found the German original, though translations must exist. I haven't found one yet as I don't know the English title.

As you quite rightly point out, this is exactly where our investigations are leading and in one of my coming essays I will try to get into this subject.

Incidentally, Victor Schauberger's work is based on Helmholtz.

Hans von Lieven

Ok Hans... We need to establish an exact or close time line.. of people an physics direction of their research ether or non ether and people they may have drawn from and discoveries in that timespan  .. This may yield even more from our current findings.. Bill as an investigator, I'm sure you would agree.  Much easier to follow changes and developments with that tool. 

To anyone new to this thread or newer please don't take some of our physics discussions as thinking were not doing the same experiments or changing our direction... We often like to keep this thread open for experiment and  Relative theory in an happy way and it has thus far worked exceptional. 
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vdc record of 2.19 volts!!!  I have tried to post these pics and had written a very long reply that get dummped into the aether when I try to post!! It says," cannot locate overunity.com"  Then I hit my back button and try to post and it says"this is a dublicate post" which it is not because it did not post the first time!!!!  If this picture comes up ok, I will re-write my other posts.

Bill

duplicate post.  5 attempts to get a post on here, Stefan something is going on.