Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 28, 2007, 11:01:27 PM
@ Bruce:

Yes, exactly!  Just to be clear, I didn't come up with that idea, I read it either from where you posted from, or elsewhere.  Actually, I remember reading this in several places, possibly on the patents? I believe they called it "priming the pump".  What I don't get, with my somewhat limited knowlege, is why the earth responded a bit like a capacitor when I did this?  I mean, we pump all sorts of power/volts to ground every day, right?  Mostly ac ok, but some dc as well right?  So, where does this go?  I searched all over town today for another magnesium block and every store was sold out.  I can't believe this.  These things are usually all over the place.  K-Mart had the exact one I am using on cell 1 for $1.99 but, they were sold out! I really want to do some more research on the "priming the pump" method.  Once I have my other mag. block, I will have 2 cells identical in every way.  I can use one for a control and pump volts and or amps into the other and see how high it goes and how long it stays there, etc.  Without the coil arrangement Stubblefield had, or the TPU device, I don't think it will stay forever in my garden.  But, isn't the fact that it stays there at all a little amazing? And, this from a 9 volt. (old one too)  I mentioned my car battery charger in several posts.  with your experience, do you think this is something to try also?  I don't remember what it is rated but, runs off ac of course, and will charge dead car battery (enough to crank over) in like 20 minutes.  Should be some amps there I would think.  Can you see how Joe's original post got be hooked into this?  I more I think I learn about it, the more I find that is not known about it.  BTW  when you order the rod, it had to be shipped here (to Bowling Green) from their supplier.  You might be able to have their supplier drop-ship it directly to you and make payment arrangements with the Bowling Green, Ky people.  Would save double shipping.  They were very nice to me and easy to deal with.  I told the guy I only wanted one piece, not 10,000 and he said "hey, an order is an order." I liked that. Now, if we could find magnisum plates or rods of decent size...who knows?

Bill

Hi Bill,

I do not think the earth is a capacitor.  I agree with your friend.  I am now thinking of it as a storehouse of free electrons waiting to be attracted...I hope to our electrode.

Again, I think of electrons attraction to a positive plate in a tube.  But all the power goes to heat the filament, and that released the electrons.  Positive is powered up on the plate and those electrons shoot over to it.  Now, with the earth, in this North (positive) - South (negative) allignment, we seem to have all of these free electrons.  If we create a "positive plate" more electrons are drawn into our circuit.  That is my thinking.

Now, how to safely do this.  I would not use a car battery. We do not need amperage. 
Check this out:
"Vacuum tubes require two power sources: a low-voltage, high-current supply for the filaments and a high-voltage low-current supply for the plates. ... "

Notice it says the low-voltage, high-current supply for the filaments, this is what is heated to release the electrons in a tube.  We don't need that because the electron are already released for us in the Earth...   Now look at the next part..

High-voltage low-current supply for the plates!!     So this is what we want for the Positive electrode in the North!  (positive on battery to positive to electrode.  You could also test it in reverse and see if there is a difference.)  How to get it.  Well if you were localjoe, or mramos I would say build a circuit.  But the easiest way for you would be to take or I, is to take several 9volt batteries and wire in series.  Keep a log and post it.

Example:  9 volts positive to positive for 1 minute and then released.  After, voltage reading was n for x amount of minutes before dropping.  Then try 18 volts, 36, etc.  If we see some real result, we can shoot for stun guy mode and look at Kilovolts.  But let's see if there is something to this before we go there.  LOL

Lastly, again, think of it not as a capacitor holding charge, but as an electron tubes positive plate attracting free electrons!

P.S.  Another idea that I just had, is using some static electricity.  Static electricity is about 1000 volts, but no current at all.  Maybe figure out a way to produce some of that on the positive electrode.

I can't wait to get home and help out!  LOL 

Cheers,

Bruce

@ Bruce:

Forgive me for my absentmindedness, I have a lot going on at the moment.  I went back over my notes from the other day's experiments and, yes I was sitting near the negetive electrode at the time, but I noted that I had used the 9 volt battery as a complete circuit.  What I mean is, I had my lead from the carbon rod attached to the + side of the battery, and the other lead was attached to the negetive side and went to, in this case the - zinc spike.  I need to be more clear on posting my results and I am sorry.  The cell still held a higher voltage charge for about 10 minutes or longer, thanks to the battery.  I tested and posted my picture about 10 seconds after disconnecting the battery from the cell.  I still think this means something, I just am not sure what. I believe the reading was 2.19 vdc after the "pulse" from the 9 volt.  I did not check amps, or rather mA.  I also did not hook up my led/cap. circuit to the cell after this pulse from the battery.  If the rain quits here any over the weekend, maybe I can repeat some of this and keep better track of my results.  I do have access to a 200,000 volt stun baton.  I would not begin to know how to "wire" that to the cell without knocking myself out, ha ha.  I like the static idea.  Van Degraf generator would be handy for this. Of course, I don't have one.  So, car battery charger not a good idea then?  I don't recall what Stubblefield used as there was not much grid electricity available in his area at the time of his experiments.  I will think about this while I am not sleeping.

@ Jeanna:

Can you reach a water pipe from your cell experimet area to attempt what Hans suggested?  I can but need to buy an additional 50' of wire and solder two more alligator clips to it.  I think this is a great thing to try.  If not, can anyone else?

Bill

@ All:

If anyone else is considering purchasing a carbon rod, here is a photo of a way I devised to attach the leads to them.  It appears to work well, although I am sure there are better ways.  I first thought about a hose clamp but I wanted something not very reactive and good in the weather.  I figured the lead in the solder would not be so bad as having the copper strand wire attached directly.  It may not matter, I don't know. I just wanted to save you all from going through what I did to get it done.  The one on the top left has been outside in the weather (ice, snow, rain, etc.) for over 2 months.  I think it is holding up well. (They are friction fit with a 1" I.D. to fit over the 1" O.D. of the rod.)




Bill

Hi all

Regarding connecting wire to carbon rod or other difficult connections:

I think there is heat shrink tape instead of tubing.  You could just wrap bare wire first around rod and then wrap the heat shrink tape around the connection and then apply heat.  Should shrink down tight and be waterproof?

Just an idea.

Tishatang

Quote from: Pirate88179 on December 29, 2007, 01:10:11 AM
The cell still held a higher voltage charge for about 10 minutes or longer, thanks to the battery.  I tested and posted my picture about 10 seconds after disconnecting the battery from the cell.  I still think this means something, I just am not sure what. I believe the reading was 2.19 vdc after the "pulse" from the 9 volt.  I did not check amps, or rather mA.  I will think about this while I am not sleeping.

@ Jeanna:

Can you reach a water pipe from your cell experimet area to attempt what Hans suggested?  I can but need to buy an additional 50' of wire and solder two more alligator clips to it.  I think this is a great thing to try.  If not, can anyone else?

Bill

I seem to be thinking about this WHILE I'm sleeping! I have been awake since 3: 30 thinking about this.

The question I have for you and for Joe is did either of you test the battery after you charged the earth? I am pretty sure neither of you mentioned it. I gather you did not get an extra 9 volts (or Joe didn't get an extra 1.5 volts) from the battery into the cell. That in itself is saying something. So, I am wondering if it really took all the juice from the battery or just a little that showed up in the earth battery?

No water pipes. just septic tanks and private wells around here.

I better get some more sleep.

jeanna