Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2008, 04:45:44 PM
Here are some pictures of today's efforts.  I added the graphite carpenter's pencil and my new nail "cell" to the mix.

At first, I got:

1.05 vdc
4.2 mA

Then, since it is so cold, going to 9 degrees here today, I decided to hook up the old 9 volt to the cell and charge it for a few minutes.  Results:

1.64 vdc
6.24 mA

I made these pictures in the smallest format my camera allows.  We will see what happens.

Bill

Hi Bill,

First, good job experimenting.  I would again say, that as long as experiments continue to increase wattage we are moving in the right direction.

Now, the big question for you.  After using your 9 volt to charge it for a few minutes, you took a reading.  Both volts and amperage were up.  For how long did the voltage stay up?  Do you know how to wire batteries in series?  If not, I can draw a diagram.  If so, please wire 2 or three batteries in series, and repeat the same exact test for the same amount of minutes and take a reading.  IF the reading goes up, then we know that it is the voltage causing this, and that would be confirmation and great news.  Batteries in series, will give you the amperage of one battery, but the voltage addition of each battery.  Three nine volts in series, give you about 150 ma at 18 volts.  Please be sure to see how long you read that higher output on your earth battery.  Then, if it drops back down, repeat the same test, but this time put a load on the earth battery and see if it stays up for the same amount of time.

I will be home by the weekend and will be in the fray in no time at all.  I ordered one, half inch by 48" carbon rob.  This I will cut into several electrodes.  I also ordered 2 magnesium blocks.  This will get me started.  I also have what I need at home to test out my induction coil theory, etc.  I also ran across carbon fiber cloth.  This will be helpful, should we find that we indeed do need surface area.  The guys who ran the telegraphs, claimed that the larger the "disc" in the ground, (in the horizontal plane, not sticking out of the ground,  the greater the increase in power, also the greater the distance.  I will try all ways.  Having a ranch, I have a lot of land to play with. 

Happy experimenting,



Bruce

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 01, 2008, 04:45:44 PM
Here are some pictures of today's efforts.  I added the graphite carpenter's pencil and my new nail "cell" to the mix.

At first, I got:

1.05 vdc
4.2 mA

Then, since it is so cold, going to 9 degrees here today, I decided to hook up the old 9 volt to the cell and charge it for a few minutes.  Results:

1.64 vdc
6.24 mA

I made these pictures in the smallest format my camera allows.  We will see what happens.

Bill

Bill,
How long did this increased vdc and mA last? did you go back out after a while and check?
(1.64vdc x .00624A=0.0102vdc  all right. )

Bill,
Did you / would you check the voltage across the LED with cap while it is charging on your earth battery? Twice I got only 0.4 vdc.. Mine never did light but I don't have a carbon gouger rod yet.
jeanna

@ Bruce:

Thanks.  And yes, I THINK I know how to wire multiple batteries in series but let me make sure.  + to - and + to -...etc., correct? (like in a maglight flashlight) It bleeds down failry fast from what I have experienced.  It was so cold and the wind was blowing about 25 knots that I did not check after my initial readings.  Last time I "juiced" the cell it bled down to a "stable" reading after about 5 minutes.  This reading was higher than the readings I took prior to the 9 volt addition to the circuit.  This is what amazes me with my limited knowledge of electricity.  I mean, I used to work with CNC grinders and we made seperate earth grounds for all of them to keep the computers happy.  Any spikes were dumped into the earth, never to be heard from again. (or so I was taught)  The fact that you can "charge" the cells and still have time to disconnect the battery and take some readings, just amazes me.  The books I read say it (the charge) should just dissapate into the earth instantly.  Why does it stay here?  How much will stay and for how long?  Which leads to the experiments that you suggested.  I can try to do them but it might be a while.  I would like to know the answers to this myself. I am looking forward to your experiment results. Best of luck to you.

@ mramos:

I believe that we have almost proven that surface area is important.  The pictures you posted showed a lot of surface area but most of which was not in the ground.  Some have suggested trying the "plates" lying flat on the ground, or burried underneath it.  You are dealing with a lot of sand there and I have no idea what this means as far as results go.  The more surface area of electrodes I use, the more amps (mA) and volts go up.  Still not much power here, yet, that is agreed.  But, we are moving in the right direction even before entering the phase using coils and other circuits to boost output.  Do you have an area where you can place those large sheets a few inches under the ground? (horizontally) I would place a bet that the output goes up.  Somewhere in the first 4 pages of this thread is a post about the Russians that tested and gave results of a lot of power per square meter.  This is why surface area is important. Your soil (sand) might not be helping, or maybe, would be better with different materials and configurations?

Bill

G'day all,

Have a look at this:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3857.new.html#new

Some of this work cuts right into what we are doing here. The pdf file Dogs offers for download is very good.

Hans von Lieven

I tried a 4 plate cell in water to test the voltage and milliamps.  Plate measures 2.5"x4" ~30gauge.

Initial mA - 10.21mA |  0.82 volts

mA drops immediately

At around 3.5mA it will drop .01mA every 10 seconds, so the drop was slowing and stabilizing. (Dropped to 3.5mA within ~3 minutes)

It seems surface area definitely matters, although there might be a lot of other ways to maximize the power.  What was interesting is that you can move the cell within the water, and the mA would go right back up.  Frictionless generator?  Perhaps you could create some water vortex and concentrate it into a collector.  I think if you use this in a stream, it would be a stable 10mA generator.