Quote from: Freezer on January 22, 2008, 07:55:22 PM

Quote from: jeanna on January 22, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
Could you explain this again to me? Or can you make a drawing? (with mouse, or on paper then scan it onto your comp?)
this part especially, In the tesla coil type fashion in the horizontal plane.
Thanks,
jeanna

The coil on the top is what I was gonna do, alternating layers with iron and copper wire.
http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=506&stc=1&d=1139522747

Here Stubblefields cell.  You can see he wound his wire horizontally outwards in layers.  I was thinking this might create a field which can be used or added.  It could also be that the layers were done in series and acted like a voltaic pile which is more mundane.  I think he used cotton to separate the layers.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=Q19NAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=nathan+stubblefield#PPA4,M1

This was just a idea, I don't know how Stubblefields cell actually worked.

Sorry Freezer,

Stubblefield did not wind the coils in the flat Tesla bi-filar fashion. He simply wound the coil conventionally with the iron and copper side by side.

See attached detail from his patent.

Hans von Lieven

Hi everyone,
I just got this information from Ian Middleton in a response to a ? I asked him. That he is having trouble getting onto the forum is perhaps the reason he is not doing this himself. I think it is terrific. here goes:

QuoteDo you have a set of old crystal earpeices. If you have then hook them up to your + and - of the earth battery setup you have at the moment. Then listen. You should hear pips and crackles. You may even hear a constant hiss.

It will only work with the high impedance earphones.
Don't worry if you can't hear them, they are there and they are made by the action of your dissimilar metals in the ground. Better still if you had an oscilloscope you would be able to see the masses of spikes generated in the ground.

These spikes go + and - and they are multi-frequency sine waves.

Now back to ol Stubb.  You know that if you take 2 metal rods, iron and copper and put them in wet earth or a salmon dish, you will get a galvanic voltage. If those rods were say 10 foot long you would still get the same voltage but more current. 

The current only comes when you short out the rods through a light or DVM or anything that draws current. When the current flows, a magnetic field is set up around the wires. If the voltage and current were true DC then the magnetic field would remain stationary in magnitude. And as you know over a period of time the galvanic action would break down the metals into their respective salts and the battery will go dead. 

This is where Stubblefield got crafty or was just plain lucky. He took those 10 foot rods (wires) and wound them around a soft iron core. Bifilar style. He would have known this from Tesla's experiments.

The galvanic battery now became an electro magnet at the same time. If the galvanic voltage was, as said, true DC then the induced magnetic field in the iron core would also remain static at a given strength.

For the outer solenoid to function an oscillating magnetic field would have to be induced in it. This oscillating magnetic field was brought about by the rapid making and breaking of the primary galvanic circuit.

In Stubblefields day most of the apparatus he used were inductive. Morse key tappers and electro magnetic bells were common. This explains why the batteries lasted so long and were not so quickly destroyed by galvanic action.

When a momentary contact was made across the two wires a current was drawn and a magnetic field was set up in the center core. When the contact was broken, the magnetic field in the core collapsed inducing a back emf. This would create a reverse voltage across the wires enabling the elemental metals to be deposited back to their original electrodes. A bit like electro plating. Much of the success of his batteries was due to the equipement he used them with.


jeanna please feel free to cut and paste this into one of your posts.

Cool, There is a lot of information in this piece.

Thank you Ian!!

jeanna

Now I wonder what old crystal headphones are. How old? I have some from the 80's. Or how can I tell. I bet lots of you guys know.

I used a piezo speaker/mic? thing from my bag of tricks one day when I couldn't see a led but thought I should be able to. I hit the zinc rod to my left and heard it hit over to my right where the piezo thing was. So, maybe this was the right idea. The grass is still frosty - maybe I will have a chance to try this later on today. 

Freezer and Arctic Knight, Bruce you are in warm country yes? Hans - it is summer where you are... Anyone else?

smiling today,
jeanna

@localjoe

Hey sorry for not getting back sooner, but have my own thing going on.

Hey brother, you got one problem dude. I fell so sorry for you...

Keep up the great work people, I have nothing for you in your quest......