@ Mr spates

you are right.. But i said low voltage thats high voltage...... not low were dealing with less than a volt here.   Try the simple exp i said you'll see that tap water is not a good cunducor at all under low voltage circumstances.. again this is not the typical galvanic action we all thought it was...


@ Jenna

I ohmed each connection just to make sure that .. i didnt have a short.. theres no short.

@ Sid..

Were not putting electricity into the wires.. its comming out of them already get it.  so were not doing what your describing.  your breaking down the dielectric of water when you do that to a pond were doing the opposite! 

@ Joe
I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass I'm just trying to understand how something can be a conduter and a nonconductor at the same time. If I'm wrong it's not the first time and hopefully wont be the last. Thinking out of the box so to speak.
Sid

@ Sid

Water for instance can be a conductor when you put tension on it or dissolve a salt in it.
Meaning trying to move an electrical current through it like one side of a battery. hense my experiment with a double a battery and light, until i put the salt in the light did not light brightly or at all.
So thats someting being real conductive and not real conductive.

when you put both terminals of a battery in water you put put tension in the water and electrolysis happens

all those processes involve inducing a current in the water

were using a current that is present in the primary coils wires. how i dont know, but  its pure dc. 

Now as far as water being conductive or not conductive or ammts between those two that is not impotant right now.. We already know that coil without water = no readings
moist coil or coil in water =.8v 20 ma

when i stated the comment about the dielectric nature of water i knew i was right i wasent talking out my arse..Member checked that its an 80 on the dielectric constant table.  but that was only to support my theory on the primary bifilar coil acting as a capacitor as well .. there has to be a dielectric if its a cap... and then i realized  that i was right and it was a capacitor and a voltaic cell!

Quote from: sid10 on February 07, 2008, 10:13:58 PM
I'm just trying to understand how something can be a conduter and a nonconductor at the same time.

Sid,
welcome to semiconductorland. cool stuff.
But really everything has a breakdown point. Things are good or bad conductors because of the number of electrons in the outer shell of the atom . It is what Tesla talked about all the time. the dielectric. He was looking for the perfect ones for his uses.
When I first read things about Tesla (in the late 80's) then tried to understand the man himself, I was stopped by 2 non modern words. they were dielectric and condenser. They are still used but not like before. Anyway it is a cool topic, There is a constant used called the dielectric constant........

and

@joe,
I think you have a very interesting idea about how water can disassociate with the magnetic field that this device creates. It may be a good thing to think about.

jeanna

@ sid here is the w section of the dielectric table notice just water says 4-80 and then water at different temps shows there releative numbers .. i find it funny that water rates an 80 at 80degres farenheit vs wood at a 30.......

Water 4-88

Water (32? F) 88.0

Water (68? F) 80.4

Water (212? F) 55.3

Water (390? F) 34.5

Water (80? F) 80.0

Water (Steam ) 1.00785

Wax 2.4-6.5

Wheat Flour 3.0 - 5.0

Wheat Flour (Dry Powder ) 1.6

White Mica 4.5-9.6

Wood, Dry 2-6

Wood, Pressed Board 2.0-2.6

Wood, Wet 10-30

@ Sid i would really appreciate it if you could change your posts stating water is not a dielectric so folks dont get confused. please