Hi All,

I just want to say hi and give a quick update of what I have been doing.

I have been busy trying to conclude one of my own projects in order to free my time to better focus on Thane's work.
Starting Monday, March 3rd I will start making a new primary coil to do further test Thane's Toroid transformers.

We have also shot a new video of Thane's generator which will now show lights attached to each coils (instead of just shorting the coils). I am editing it at this time and will be posting the link in a few days.

Thanks for looking and your interest.

Luc

Hi Thane and all;

Ive been trying to replicate your motor experiment but am not having much luck with the results.  I'm using a 1/25 hp induction motor from an walkin cooler evaporator fan.  I've made the steel rotor about 6.5" dia. with fairly strong ceramic 3/4" dia. magnets at 45 degree spacing and ( 8 magnets)were used.  I'm also  using 6 pickup coils that are factory wound 12volt coils, 1.7 ohms resistance each.  When I start the motor with no load and no coils it is drawing 2.7 amps @110 volts  When I introduce the 6 coils into the system and short them out it still draws 2.7 amps and does not accelerate at all.  The coils are putting out 3.2 volts AC each and will light up small 12 volt bulbs as can be seen in my photo.
My unit is quite flexable and can be configured for different coils fairly easily. What am I doing wrong or are these results OK with these small coils??

Regards
Vince

Quote from: gotoluc on March 02, 2008, 08:38:48 PM

... We have also shot a new video of Thane's generator which will now show lights attached to each coils (instead of just shorting the coils). I am editing it at this time and will be posting the link in a few days.

Thanks for looking and your interest.

Luc

You're wasting your time connecting lights to the coils. That doesn't prove anything at all. What you need to be doing is measuring the power in and the power out. If you can show that this technology increases the power out for a given power in, then you're off to the races. But until you do that, it's just snake oil.

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 02, 2008, 09:34:24 PM
You're wasting your time connecting lights to the coils. That doesn't prove anything at all. What you need to be doing is measuring the power in and the power out. If you can show that this technology increases the power out for a given power in, then you're off to the races. But until you do that, it's just snake oil.

Um, No.

Trying to prove there is more out than in would be the waste of time.
Any such measurements will be easily disputed (and always is in such cases) and it would be hard to get the current system OU.
Close loop is another matter but would be even harder to get to work correctly and will just attract claims that he really does have hidden batteries.

What has been done is to show that there is a stunning and novel anomaly which no one can honestly account for, which seems like it must break ground on some new physics and which is reasonably straight forward and repeatable (we hope).
Why go to huge effort to make an experiment everyone could have doubts about when there is one currently which requires only a few brain cells and a modicum of honesty (sadly missing in too many) to realize the results are extraordinary and not explained by convention. (at least not on the magnitude and robustness observed)

The best way forward is to better understand what is going on here.
Can a tiny magnetic field really effect the torque output of a motor so dramatically? (or is it more than a basic field)
How is the 'whatever' from the coils effecting the motor, and what other magnetic devices can it also treat for more desired operation?
Is this the result of an unusual electrical like (but abnormal) current in wires that oh so many other similar motors/generator inventors/experimenters have reported time and again?
Can other ways be found to amplify the effect or generate it in a solid state form?

If someone did want to investigate how likely overunity was with this device they would setup 2 motor generator systems. (2 motors 2 generators)
One conventional and high efficiency motor gen pair, giving as great an output for the input as possible.
The other would be Thanes generator attached to a very powerful high speed motor, connected by belt drive, the axle of the generator feeding into the high efficiency motor gen setup.

Since the back-emf or whatever coming from the Thane Generator can't be considered significant energy in a normal sense then you would only count the energy going into and out of the conventional motor/generator and see if that can be pushed into overunity.

People should stop thinking of this as a Free Energy machine, hopefully it will be one day but right now it's a very cool 'physics anomaly' device and in a way that is more valuable than just another FE machine because with this the underlying principle is far more exposed than in most Free Energy designs.


Meanwhile vince, seems to me you don't know for a fact if you are getting Thanes effect or not, sounds like the only way you can be sure is to compare operation when you have a complete magnetic circuit to the motor .vs broken magnetic circuit to the motor (both with shorted coils), if it's faster with the complete magnetic path then you have replicated the effect.

Another thought would be to measure the current pulled by the motor.

Quote from: OilBarren on February 29, 2008, 05:01:19 PM

Quote from: jacksatan on February 29, 2008, 03:03:50 PM

I'm a big fan of simple, but I recognize the problems with this method as was referenced by comments above. To counter those issues we could build a "super simple" test of total energy - run the device with a purely mechanical nonmagnetic light load ex. a simple string winder -  place a wooden spool against the motor wheel with a length of string while housed in the "apparatus" using a carefully measured constant amount of energy (hopefully a small battery pack for consistency)... and measure how much string was rolled up. Then remove the motor from the apparatus and run the same test. If the spool rolls more string it is more efficient, if not it is less. This should avoid all of the issues of hysterisis and proper power measurement...

IS THIS NOT SIMPLE ENOUGH?
THIS ACTUAL TEST DATA FROM THE OVERUNITY DEMO AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY FOR LUC AND STEVE.

TEST #1 = NO LOAD ? COIL # 2 = 0.92 VOLTS / INPUT = 275 W SYSTEM SPEED = 60 RPM (approx)
TEST # 2 = MAXIMUM LOAD ? COIL # 2 = 177.7 V / INPUT = 200 W SYSTEM SPEED = 1500 RPM (approx)

COIL # 2 IS OPEN IN BOTH  TESTS
AND TEST # 1 IS ALL OPEN CIRCUITED COILS

WHEREAS TEST # 2 ALL THE COILS WERE SHORTED (except # 2)
ALL OTHER COILS EMPLOYED TO DRIVE UP THE SYSTEM RPM

YOU MAY ALSO NOTICE THAT THE INPUT VOLTAGE IN TEST # 1 IS 75.2 VOLTS
IN TEST # 2 THE INPUT VOLTAGE IS 7.2 % V LOWER AND COIL # 2?s OUTPUT VOLTAGE IS 19,215.2 % HIGHER.

SOMETHING IS ACCELERATING THE SYSTEM AND IT AIN'T THE MOTOR.
THE ONLY VARIABLE THAT HAS CHANGED IS CURRENT FLOW IN THE COILS.

Thane

Thane - I recognize that you can gett a significant increase in voltage, but what we are all looking for is an increase in "useful energy". After reading the report from Kinectrix, and gaining a greater appreciation of the difficulties of verifying the power output of your device, I am all the more convinced that the easiest and most visually simplifying method of verification is mechanical. The device that you have is not easily represented in the standard form of x volts y amps for z time. Using a mechanical measure for the power output will allow you to easily distill all the variables into a simple yes/no factor of the two fundamental questions 1) "Is this more efficient at doing useful work?" and 2) "Is there sufficient useful output to 'close the loop'".  At this point, I am not the only one asking this simple question, it seems PolarBreeze has the same request - it seems reasonable.

I wish you the same as Zahn did... Good Luck