Quote from: markzpeiverson on March 21, 2008, 08:17:13 PM

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 21, 2008, 07:49:37 PM

Of course, it doesn't alter the fact that ALL the input power is being turned into heat.

PB:  I get it, and the power REQUIRED to keep the motor AND generator turning at several hundred RPMs against bearing friction, air turbulence, etc. must be coming from where?

ALL the power that enters the system is coming from the electrical input.
ALL the power that leaves the system is output as HEAT.
Your examples, such as bearing friction, are internal to the system, they produce only HEAT and do not produce any useful mechanical output. This is the whole point I was making.

Quote from: ramset on March 21, 2008, 08:01:22 PM
LOOK at PB he got a promotion  sporting another star!!!

Quote from: ramset on March 21, 2008, 07:44:07 PM
PB  SEE !!! almost like another invite   I kinda like PB   he's thick as a post     tuff  stuff     OLD school   But then again  its nice to see an inventor with such thick skin  and great intentions   Chet

Just a question. Does anyone get the feeling that ramset is acting like Renfield for Dracula? Usually around the same post times as PB. Are we getting played here?

Regards,
Larry

LARRY I would NEVER play  THIS IS WAY TO SERIOUS !!!! CHET

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 21, 2008, 07:56:23 PM

Quote from: OilBarren on March 21, 2008, 05:28:09 PM

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY, LENZ'S LAW AND THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE AND OTHER PHYSICS LAWS ALL SAY IT SHOULD REQUIRE MORE WORK - BUT IT DOES NOT.

But it's not a mystery in the example of the car/brake/gas so why is it such a mystery in this case? The two situations are exactly analogous...

WAY WRONG  - SO VERY WRONG PB - CAR BRAKES AND GAS MOTORS DON'T PRODUCE MAGNETIC FIELDS.

FOR YOUR ANALOGY TO WORK YOUR BRAKES (GENERATOR COILS) WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE GASOLINE 1 (GENERATOR BACK EMF INDUCED MMF"s) WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PRODUCING GASOLINE 2 (GENERATOR EMF"s).

THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO FEED YOUR GASOLINE 1 INTO THE GAS MOTOR - CAUSING THE MOTOR TO ACCELERATE - WHICH IN TURN WOULD CAUSE YOUR BRAKES TO PRODUCE MORE GASOLINE 2 AND GASOLINE 1. WHICH WOULD IN TURN CAUSE THE MOTOR TO ACCELERATE EVEN FURTHER.

YOU COULD CHOOSE TO BURN YOUR GASOLINE 2 IN AN EXTERIOR MOTOR (RESISTIVE LOAD)
OR ALLOW IT TO BURN IN THE BRAKES AS JOULE HEATING WHICH WOULD MAXIMIZE YOUR GASOLINE 1 PRODUCTION AND MOTOR ACCELERATION.

THE POINT IS YOU CAN'T CONFUSE THE SIMPLE ISSUE HERE AND LEAVE OUT KEY COMPONENTS REQUIRED FOR ACCURATE COMPREHENSION.

CAR BRAKES PRODUCE HEAT - GENERATOR COILS PRODUCE EMF's AND MMF's AND HEAT AND PROBABLY OTHER THINGS WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT YET.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST GOOGLE MY NAME AND FORM YOUR OPINIONS FROM ALL THE NONSENSE OUT THERE IN THE "REAL WORLD" IF IGNORING KEY PARAMETERS IS THE NAME OF THE GAME.

Thane

Quote from: ramset on March 21, 2008, 09:17:34 PM
LARRY I would NEVER play  THIS IS WAY TO SERIOUS !!!! CHET

Oh my,
What a perfect answer PB. You are truely the head of disillusionment. I don't know why you are doing it, but you are probably the biggest lier on the planet.

@Thane,
Your response has perfect logic to PB's stupidity, but it is wasted on PB who knows nothing of logic. My suggestion is to quit waisting your time on this charlitain.

Regards,
Larry