Luc, a question about the power supply in the toroid experiment. I guess it's coming from the red and black wires that go off the top of the pictures? What is the no-load voltage at that point?

Also, I'm wondering if you've measured the output impedance of that supply - because of course that will have a bearing on what happens to the toroid input voltage when the loading changes. Any figures for that? Thanks.

PB

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 30, 2008, 10:14:30 PM
I've been puzzling over different ways in which there could be electromagnetic interaction between the motor and the "generator" and now I've come to think that the behavior of the motors/loads in this experiment can be explained completely in terms of a mechanical interaction between the motor and the "generator", NOT electromagnetic, nor "unconventional". This explains why a brass shaft, or an acrylic wheel, can transport the effect as well as steel can.

I am unclear on how your theory squares with the actual experimental results. To begin, who has observed acceleration with a brass shaft?

Luc,

Thanks for the explanation on the difficulties with the various meters. Certainly the clamp meter is a much more practical and flexible solution for your stated needs over the coming weeks and months. This is your personal investment of time and energy, and as you and Thane are the people who will ultimately have to submit your work for peer review if your results hold up over time, you really don't have to justify your choice of equipment to anyone but yourselves and your reviewers.  If it means that full confidence in the results is delayed in the eyes of critics and the rest of us onlookers that hardly matters. You are still at the early stages of your research, and most really appreciate the front row seat your information sharing provides. So once again, thanks for your efforts both here and at the lab.

As a note to all, I came across this article when I was trying to learn about meters to assess the various comment here: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3828/is_200801/ai_n21279782/pg_1

I'm sure much of it is the basics for most, but it was comprehensive enough that I thought it worth sharing on the chance that many would be able to pick up something useful.

Quote from: JustMe on March 31, 2008, 09:22:36 AM

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 30, 2008, 10:14:30 PM
I've been puzzling over different ways in which there could be electromagnetic interaction between the motor and the "generator" and now I've come to think that the behavior of the motors/loads in this experiment can be explained completely in terms of a mechanical interaction between the motor and the "generator", NOT electromagnetic, nor "unconventional". This explains why a brass shaft, or an acrylic wheel, can transport the effect as well as steel can.

I am unclear on how your theory squares with the actual experimental results. To begin, who has observed acceleration with a brass shaft?

I think the only observation of any difference between brass and steel behaviour has come from Thane's own setup and almost no information has been posted about that so it's hard to draw any conclusions about it. The point I'm making is that there is no reason to invoke any idea of electromagnetic feedback somehow influencing motor performance because the acceleration, or not, is fully explained by the instability, or not, of the load (ie the magnetic brake).

If more information were available about the brass-versus-steel observations it might be possible to connect them with the theory. For example, it's possible that due to the difference in magnetic properties between the brass and the steel, the load is stable when brass is used but unstable when steel is used. There are several other possibilities too, including simply mechanical effects, but without more information on the observations it's impossible to tell. I don't think anyone else has replicated the brass-is-different-from-steel effect but if I'm wrong I hope someone will correct me.

PB

Quote from: polarbreeze on March 31, 2008, 09:53:37 AM

I think the only observation of any difference between brass and steel behaviour has come from Thane's own setup and almost no information has been posted about that so it's hard to draw any conclusions about it.
PB

So to continue then, what is the justification for your unambigious conclusion  "This explains why a brass shaft...can transport the effect as well as steel can." when as you point out the only experimental  data we have says otherwise. What was that? Some kind of weird psyop? Please answer my specific question about the justification for your statement before claiming some other main point.