Quote from: kevolts on April 05, 2008, 10:01:03 PM
I had a 12? (305 mm) long by ? ? (6.35mm) wide copper pipe   and a aluminum 8?

Hi Kevin,
Along while back Bill gave us this information. It really helps. I copied it one day. I haven't a guess as to what page it is on, so here:

The following is a list of metals and their potentials in the earth:

[edit] Metals and Soils
Potential Differences of metals
(Soil Galvanic series) 
Metal
... Potential
V Cu/CuSO4 electrode
Magnesium (pure) -1.75
Magnesium (alloy) -1.60
Zinc -1.10
Alluminum (alloy) -1.05
Aluminum (pure) -0.8
Steel (clean) -0.50 to -0.80
Steel (rusted) -0.20 to -0.50
Cast Iron -0.50
Lead -0.50
Steel (concrete) -0.20
Copper -0.20
Brass -0.20
Bronze -0.20
Steel (mill scale) -0.20
Cast iron (high silicon) -0.20
Carbon +0.30
Graphite +0.30
Coke +0.30
Notes:
Non-uniform conditions at node surface 

So, you won't expect much from cu and al or fe but you will see a good voltage difference with Zn; and a galvanized nail, bolt or pipe all work.
I wonder what pumping will give you when you start with .7v instead of .3v ?

Quotelet me get to the good part. I saw anytime I moved the aluminum spike up and down I would get more V and MA, so I pulled it in and out of the earth like a piston and cylinder for like 30 seconds, and then I got 1.10 V and .030 MA.

I'll bet your neighbors loved it.  I am sure mine have just given up on me.

QuoteOn a side note, my 9V battery had 8.82 V when I started and 8.84 when I ended experimenting, it might be nothing but I hope there is something to it.

That sounds familiar. Didn't one of the guys get a recharge in the source battery? Maybe that person will step forward.

...but .02 on a scale that only reads to 2 decimal places isn't anything you can count. It is considered not a significant number, but keep watching it anyway. You just might watch it go up!

Good going Kevin.

jeanna

I rewound that bolt and it looks pretty good.
I sprayed water on the cloth. cotton this time
The bolt is 1/2 inch diameter and about 8 inch long

690mvDC and still rising
0.8mvAC
10.25 mAmps - yes, milliamps.

The voltage was higher on the first rows but the milliamps was lower.
I can't remember who but I think someone else has a primary like this.

I will wind a secondary tomorrow and stick this into the ground!

jeanna

@ Jeanna:

Heck, don't spray it.  Stick it in the sink or the tub.  I even measured some of my readings while it was under water.  That way, all of the cotton will be soaked through.  It just seems you should be getting more juice than that with your size primary there.  Seems like it's off by a factor of 1,000 on the volts?  mA seems about right with my one coil.  I would think you would have ,5 or .7 volts.  This is curious.  But, mA is better than volts I have heard.  mA is power!!!!!

Why are you going to wind a secondary?  Unless, have you devised a way to pulse the secondary like we were all discussing?  The secondary won't (shouldn't) put out anything unless pulsed with a make/break device.  (This is my understanding anyway)

Good job on the mA's Jeanna!!!!!

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 06, 2008, 12:27:53 AM
@ Jeanna:

Heck, don't spray it.  Stick it in the sink or the tub. 

I have always found that it is a bit stronger if it is not completely submerged.

This AM, I filled the jar it is in with water - I use filtered water to remove too many variables - and the reading went down. It was at

645mvdc before soaking.
595mvdc in up to its eyeballs in water. Now after I dumped the water out
647mvdc and still changing.
(the amps went along with the volts this time)

The amount of wetness is crucial, it seems. not too much not too little.

Just to clarify. If I were making a galvanic cell like a couple of silly jokes I posted on this thread, I would be looking for the optimum amount of salt of some sort for the electrolyte in this cell. NS himself says it needn't be submerged but moist is enough, (on p.2 lines 27-37 of the patent he says this.)

QuoteSeems like it's off by a factor of 1,000 on the volts?  mA seems about right with my one coil.  I would think you would have ,5 or .7 volts.

Tag -- you're IT!
I made this mistake yesterday and you caught it. 645mvdc is 0.645vdc so you see, I am in the same range as you and others with this coil.
Now, please don't make this mistake with your taxes! they don't like that much. 

QuoteWhy are you going to wind a secondary?  Unless, have you devised a way to pulse the secondary like we were all discussing?

I guess it is a chicken egg thing. I can't go there unless I begin to wind secondaries and play with them in different places. They do change the results of the primary. I am trying to measure and look at how much or how. (I need a few chickens to see if they make eggs)

NS suggested making a secondary on a spool. I have a couple of spools wound with wire that I can slip over a primary. - fit is the main problem with this idea.

On a scrap of paper somewhere, I recorded the volts n amps that this latest coil produced by layers as I was winding it.  ( I was just checking for shorts as I went along-- The wound coil was still attached to the packages of wire)  But the second layer had more volts(like 895mvdc) and some small number of amps, the fourth layer had less volts but more amps. I think the fourth layer had the highest amps like 13mA, but I need to find the scrap of paper to say. Then voltage kept going down on the next layer but the amps did not increase and on this last layer which is 6th or 8th layer the final reading is less on both counts. I kept winding because I want to see what will happen over time when it is in the ground.

Now, I will check on my chickens outside. 

jeanna

@ Jeanna:

Duh!  I stand corrected. 645 mvdc does equal .645 vdc.  What was I thinking?  Gee I hope I did not make that mistake on my taxes either....crap  So, you are in the range of the rest of us....that is great.

I just checked my coil (larger one) this morning and it is still putting out over .5 vdc and it feels totally dry!  I still can't believe it is just sitting there as a power source.  Let's see...is this more volts out than I am putting in?  Hmmm....

Input voltage to dry coil: 0.000 vdc
Output voltage from dry coil: .53 vdc.

This looks amazingly like I think overunity would look like.  What do others think?  This is doing this for days.

Bill