Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 06, 2008, 04:38:47 PM


This looks amazingly like I think overunity would look like.  What do others think?  This is doing this for days.

Bill

Bill

It seems to me that if there is a galvanic reaction going on it is not  overunity

I don't think   it takes much water to get a reaction .   

I  am working  on  testing  if  I can  find anything  except  galvanac reactions   

No luck  so far



gary

@ Gary:

I was thinking overunity not perpetual motion.  It must be some type of galvanic action but, my coil is dry. (Maybe not 100% deep inside the cotton windings of course)  In a galvanic reaction the materials, or at least one of them, gets used up.  This may happen but with just water as an electrolyte, it may take years.  Also, I am not sure if we should even call the water an electrolyte as I can't measure any conductivity of the water in my sink. (Not pure water, of course)  Water, generally speaking is an insulator but yet it is acting more like an electrolyte here.

They are calling the SMOT overunity yet the magnets will only (only?) last about 300 years.  The SMOT is not perpetual motion because the magnets will stop in time.  This is why I see a difference between overunity and perpetual motion.  We are not putting any power into the coils yet pulling power out.

I was just throwing this out there and have no set feelings one way or the other.  I just other topics where O.U. is claimed and we are getting more out than they are and not putting anything in.  As you might be able to tell, I am still quite amazed by this.  Maybe we should construct a super huge coil and apply for Stefan's prize. (grin)

I know people will say that they can stick two electrodes into a lemon and extract electricity but, those electrodes will be eaten by the acid in the lemon and the lemon will not last very long at all. (depending on the load)  I think this is different.  How different?  I don't know.  As I said...just tossing this out there for thought.

Bill

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 06, 2008, 10:08:28 PM
@ Gary:

I was thinking overunity not perpetual motion.  It must be some type of galvanic action but, my coil is dry. (Maybe not 100% deep inside the cotton windings of course)  In a galvanic reaction the materials, or at least one of them, gets used up.  This may happen but with just water as an electrolyte, it may take years.  Also, I am not sure if we should even call the water an electrolyte as I can't measure any conductivity of the water in my sink. (Not pure water, of course)  Water, generally speaking is an insulator but yet it is acting more like an electrolyte here.

They are calling the SMOT overunity yet the magnets will only (only?) last about 300 years.  The SMOT is not perpetual motion because the magnets will stop in time.  This is why I see a difference between overunity and perpetual motion.  We are not putting any power into the coils yet pulling power out.

I was just throwing this out there and have no set feelings one way or the other.  I just other topics where O.U. is claimed and we are getting more out than they are and not putting anything in.  As you might be able to tell, I am still quite amazed by this.  Maybe we should construct a super huge coil and apply for Stefan's prize. (grin)

I know people will say that they can stick two electrodes into a lemon and extract electricity but, those electrodes will be eaten by the acid in the lemon and the lemon will not last very long at all. (depending on the load)  I think this is different.  How different?  I don't know.  As I said...just tossing this out there for thought.

Bill

Bill

I am not  so sure that  there has to be a galvanic  reaction

Stubblefield   was doing alot more with  these  batterys than we understand .

He was getting WAY more power than   can be  explained  by   ganvanic reaction

Clearly he was   doing something else  along  with the  normal  battery  action .

I am looking  for the something else .





gary

Quote from: resonanceman on April 06, 2008, 11:52:54 PM
Stubblefield   was doing alot more with  these  batterys than we understand .

He was getting WAY more power than   can be  explained  by   ganvanic reaction

Clearly he was   doing something else  along  with the  normal  battery  action .

I am looking  for the something else .

gary

I agree with you.

I am assuming that he was always just starting with a little galvanic. Just to get things going.

Once the tpu was moving it could continue on its own and feed back into the system enough to keep it starting up.

yes?

jeanna

I try to understand those folks in the tpu thread, but I need more physics and EEing and math and... I just figure if NS could do it 100 years ago, we can figure it out too if we work together.

j

Quote from: jeanna on April 07, 2008, 12:33:43 AM

I agree with you.

I am assuming that he was always just starting with a little galvanic. Just to get things going.

At the moment I am assuming that the  other effects will  at  least start out small . 
like  the AC  I was  getting   on my coil

Right now  I am  reading everything I can about radient energy

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Once the tpu was moving it could continue on its own and feed back into the system enough to keep it starting up.

yes?

jeanna

I try to understand those folks in the tpu thread, but I need more physics and EEing and math and... I just figure if NS could do it 100 years ago, we can figure it out too if we work together.

j

Jeanna

When  I first   found  this site    I looked around  and  found  the  SM  TPU  videos ........I  was really impressed

It was my  original  first  choice for  a project .



It is kind of  hard to follow thhe people there. .......but except the  the math I   can  get through most of it.

I quickly  found out thath the people there  were  following  a couple  leaders ........and no  other  ideas were really accepted...........especially  from someone with  a limited  education .

I  didn't agree  with most  of what  they were doing.

I  am pretty sure that the TPU  had an iton  winding .
I remember  seeing a photo of a piece of a TPU  that had been  cut  up  .    ......  It  did  looke like  it had an  Iron winding.

I  think that there is a  "special "effect that happens  when  a magnetic field interact with BOTH  Iron and copper windings

The Iron winding would heat up much more than the  copper ........I  think it was  the  cause of the reported 19 minute limit



I agree  with your  idea about  adding  secondarys .

If I am right about the  Iron/copper  thing ........any  voltage in  the secondary  will  add more  magnetic  field  around  the core ........probably  amplifying the effect  .


I am not saying that just any  magnetic field   in the secondary  will help ........but if it  picks  up  a natural resonance   ( AC )   from the  copper/iron  part of the  coul ........it should help  feed  that resonance

If I am right about this,      making the  secomndary   a LC cercuit would  make a big difference ......    so far I  have only been able to  register that  AC is there .......not enough to pin down a frequency


gary