Quote from: JustMe on April 09, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
And not a moment too soon.Ã,  I mean the poor guy has had to completely solve this thing at least four or five times now.Ã,  No more pretending that he didn't think you were full of shit from the beginning, no more feigning genuine interest, no more obligation to point out (and point out and point out and point out) the obvious, no more need for ad hoc lectures on 6th grade graphing concepts.Ã,  As a fellow traveller on this road I can't help but be pleased for him.

Thank you PB,Ã,  for leading the way, for showing us the light. Have fun in Frankfurt + don't hand out any wooden silicon.

OK, now we've settled this I can tell you what the real experiment is/was.

Firstly, it's clear to anyone that both the perepeteia and the bi-toroid transformer thing are both BS: and they're BS in exactly the same, transparent way. Build a weird device that wastes lots of power, do something extra weird to it that causes it to waste less power, act surprised, and then claim that it's an astounding breakthrough.

But the real experiment has been a social experiment to determine the following:

Does Thane really believe in it and not realize it's BS - or - is Thane fully aware that it's BS and he's just stringing others along?

That's what the wager was with my spouse (who is also posting here BTW, though less obviously than me!). And now we've settled it.

PB

Quote from: polarbreeze on April 09, 2008, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: JustMe on April 09, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
And not a moment too soon.  I mean the poor guy has had to completely solve this thing at least four or five times now.  No more pretending that he didn't think you were full of shit from the beginning, no more feigning genuine interest, no more obligation to point out (and point out and point out and point out) the obvious, no more need for ad hoc lectures on 6th grade graphing concepts.  As a fellow traveller on this road I can't help but be pleased for him.

Thank you PB,  for leading the way, for showing us the light. Have fun in Frankfurt + don't hand out any wooden silicon.

OK, now we've settled this I can tell you what the real experiment is/was.

Firstly, it's clear to anyone that both the perepeteia and the bi-toroid transformer thing are both BS: and they're BS in exactly the same, transparent way. Build a weird device that wastes lots of power, do something extra weird to it that causes it to waste less power, act surprised, and then claim that it's an astounding breakthrough.

But the real experiment has been a social experiment to determine the following:

Does Thane really believe in it and not realize it's BS - or - is Thane fully aware that it's BS and he's just stringing others along?

That's what the wager was with my spouse (who is also posting here BTW, though less obviously than me!). And now we've settled it.

PB

I figured that this post needed to be quoted, so there would be a record of it, in case PB decided to come back and edit it, like she (he?) did with so many other of her (his?) posts.

Quote from: polarbreeze on April 09, 2008, 02:57:40 PM

Quote from: JustMe on April 09, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
And not a moment too soon.  I mean the poor guy has had to completely solve this thing at least four or five times now.  No more pretending that he didn't think you were full of shit from the beginning, no more feigning genuine interest, no more obligation to point out (and point out and point out and point out) the obvious, no more need for ad hoc lectures on 6th grade graphing concepts.  As a fellow traveller on this road I can't help but be pleased for him.

Thank you PB,  for leading the way, for showing us the light. Have fun in Frankfurt + don't hand out any wooden silicon.

OK, now we've settled this I can tell you what the real experiment is/was.

Firstly, it's clear to anyone that both the perepeteia and the bi-toroid transformer thing are both BS: and they're BS in exactly the same, transparent way. Build a weird device that wastes lots of power, do something extra weird to it that causes it to waste less power, act surprised, and then claim that it's an astounding breakthrough.

But the real experiment has been a social experiment to determine the following:

Does Thane really believe in it and not realize it's BS - or - is Thane fully aware that it's BS and he's just stringing others along?

That's what the wager was with my spouse (who is also posting here BTW, though less obviously than me!). And now we've settled it.

PB

THAT'S IT MR. AND MRS. PB YOU GUYS ARE NOW OFFICIALLY OFF MY CHRISTMAS CARD LIST.

Thane

HEY,

I HAVE JUST SENT JM A COUPLE OF PHOTO'S OF LUC'S NEW PRIMARY IN THE SUPER PERMALLOY TOROID WITH A RELATIVE PERMEABILITY OF 200,000. THE PRIMARY CORE MATERIAL Rp = 17,000.

TAKE NOTE OF THE POWER FACTOR AND POWER CONSUMPTION WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO A PROFESSIONALLY MANUFACTURED TOROID AND THE PRIMARY IS JUST HELD IN PLACE WITH TAPE.

LUC IS WINDING THE SECONDARIES AS I TYPE THIS AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOME RESULTS TOMORROW.

Thane

Quote from: OilBarren on April 09, 2008, 04:08:37 PM
HEY,

I HAVE JUST SENT JM A COUPLE OF PHOTO'S OF LUC'S NEW PRIMARY IN THE SUPER PERMALLOY TOROID WITH A RELATIVE PERMEABILITY OF 200,000. THE PRIMARY CORE MATERIAL Rp = 17,000.

TAKE NOTE OF THE POWER FACTOR AND POWER CONSUMPTION WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO A PROFESSIONALLY MANUFACTURED TOROID AND THE PRIMARY IS JUST HELD IN PLACE WITH TAPE.

LUC IS WINDING THE SECONDARIES AS I TYPE THIS AND WE SHOULD HAVE SOME RESULTS TOMORROW.

Thane