LOL Ian   

Quote from: exxcomm0n on May 07, 2008, 03:26:57 PM
@ shrugged

While you bring up a salient point with the idea that individual effects of experiments have to be beaten to death with proof, it still doesn't help if you can't relay the steps/processes/expected outcome to an independent researcher so they can duplicate and verify your results.

What you say is true, but I think that once an anomaly is discovered, it would not be that hard to describe what is going on.  The hard part is finding the anomaly, not finding the words to describe it.  There may be a little back and forth of "I meant this, not that", but given intelligent people, replication should not be that hard to accomplish.  Where we are stuck is there are no anomalies.  Every step of the way, there are energy losses and no one has figured out how to turn a profit yet.

Quote from: shruggedatlas on May 07, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
Honestely, I do not think it is a matter of language or thinking.  We need an effect that contradicts the known laws of physics.  All you need to so to have mainstream science pay attention is point to one such anomalous effect and really prove it up.  Isolate that one thing and focus on it and do extensive experimentation.  Then, once that is proven, you can make a device based on that, and it will all make sense.

Where people go wrong is they try to present a whole device and claim that it works and not really explain what the anomalous effect is that makes the thing work.  Well, based on known laws of physics, no device can be truly overunity, so these devices get dismissed right away, and the inventors get labelled crackpots.  The fact that the devices invariably turn out to be under unity does not help matters.

So anyway, that is the problem with overunity as I see it.

Hi ShruggedAtlas,

How would a scientist knowing how the device works, help the inventor?  How would the scientist protect and then promote the inventor's invention value and profit potential?

What if the "anomalous effect" by itself does not show overunity, but the whole device functioning together can operate exceeding 100% electrical efficiency?  In this case, testing only the anomalous effect would not be a fair test of the device... 

Quote from: Liberty on May 07, 2008, 10:05:31 PM

Hi ShruggedAtlas,

How would a scientist knowing how the device works, help the inventor?  How would the scientist protect and then promote the inventor's invention value and profit potential?

What if the "anomalous effect" by itself does not show overunity, but the whole device functioning together can operate exceeding 100% electrical efficiency?  In this case, testing only the anomalous effect would not be a fair test of the device... 

So wait a minute, you say you can have a device where at every step, conservation of energy is obeyed, but yet the end result produces a surplus of energy?  That is simply not possible.  Do you have an example?

That's not fair, I asked you a question first.