Quote from: adlep on May 11, 2008, 10:36:10 AM

Quote from: OUman on May 11, 2008, 06:53:16 AM

Quote from: adlep on May 11, 2008, 12:16:47 AM

Quote from: OUman on May 10, 2008, 11:42:28 PM

OK, so little Jimmy buys 130 oranges from the market in Almonte. They cost a dollar each so he's paid, let's see, $130 for them. He then re-sells 7.7 of these oranges to a restaurant in Renfrew for the same price (he's not a capitalist). So he recoups $7.70 . He calls Larry to have him calculate how much money he's now paid for his 130 oranges. "Whoa " says Larry - you paid only $122.30 for 130 oranges.

Must be the new math, I guess

So you have just killed your own point.

If he paid $122.30 for 130 oranges that are selling for $1.00 a piece, then it is very good, because he got $7.70 of FREE money somehow
No?
2nd grade math?

OK, let me spell it out for you. I thought it was obvious but apparently not. Here's the rest of the story. Jimmy follows Larry's math and becomes very excited that he has such business acumen as to have got $7.70 of free money. Jimmy wants to share this good news so he calls adlep. "Adlep", he says, "come on over and count these 130 oranges that I bought for $122.30". Adlep rushes over to Jimmy's place to count the oranges he bought. Now, how many oranges does adlep find at Jimmy's place? He, of course, finds only 122.3 because the other 7.7 are now owned by the restaurant.

The result: Jimmy owns 122.3 oranges at a cost of $122.30, which makes, let's see, exactly $1.00 each.

U keep changing your story. Do not blame me for your own words:

"Whoa Cool " says Larry - you paid only $122.30 for 130 oranges.

They were not my words - they were Larry's words. Check the posts.

Hello,

First time poster.  Background: I got to here from following Steron, and have been following this thread from essentially day one.  I am a chemist by training, but have long realized the need for alternative energy sources.  I'll will admit readily most of this is far over my head, but I am trying to learn.  I know this will sound like I am siding with OUman and that is last thing I want as I see the same formula used by it as by PB, meaning change the argument to stir the pot, which is not what I want to do.  I really want to understand and could someone help correct my thinking here:  If this generator is operating under nonstandard conditions and produces a lot of heat, when the coils are shorted and the system speeds up or less watts are supplied to keep the same rpm, how do you know less heat is not being produced and the effect is simply not making the generator more efficient, and producing less heat?  If it is making the generator more efficient under these nonstandard conditions, it this setup still useful since so much energy is being lost as heat.  I find it fascinating the generator speeds up, but truly how 'efficient' is this set up?  Thanks for allowing me to play.

Hey mackensteff...welcome.   I know just how you feel trying to understand stuff outside of your area of expertise.  I find I can 'get' little pockets, but have a hard time connecting the dots and seeing the big picture.  This leaves me with questions much like yours, and people here have always tried to answer them for me so I'm sure yours will be greeted in the spirit they're intended as well.

Glad you joined the conversation.

Quote from: OUman on May 11, 2008, 03:03:17 PM

Quote from: adlep on May 11, 2008, 10:36:10 AM

Quote from: OUman on May 11, 2008, 06:53:16 AM

Quote from: adlep on May 11, 2008, 12:16:47 AM

Quote from: OUman on May 10, 2008, 11:42:28 PM

OK, so little Jimmy buys 130 oranges from the market in Almonte. They cost a dollar each so he's paid, let's see, $130 for them. He then re-sells 7.7 of these oranges to a restaurant in Renfrew for the same price (he's not a capitalist). So he recoups $7.70 . He calls Larry to have him calculate how much money he's now paid for his 130 oranges. "Whoa " says Larry - you paid only $122.30 for 130 oranges.

Must be the new math, I guess

So you have just killed your own point.

If he paid $122.30 for 130 oranges that are selling for $1.00 a piece, then it is very good, because he got $7.70 of FREE money somehow
No?
2nd grade math?

OK, let me spell it out for you. I thought it was obvious but apparently not. Here's the rest of the story. Jimmy follows Larry's math and becomes very excited that he has such business acumen as to have got $7.70 of free money. Jimmy wants to share this good news so he calls adlep. "Adlep", he says, "come on over and count these 130 oranges that I bought for $122.30". Adlep rushes over to Jimmy's place to count the oranges he bought. Now, how many oranges does adlep find at Jimmy's place? He, of course, finds only 122.3 because the other 7.7 are now owned by the restaurant.

The result: Jimmy owns 122.3 oranges at a cost of $122.30, which makes, let's see, exactly $1.00 each.

U keep changing your story. Do not blame me for your own words:

"Whoa Cool " says Larry - you paid only $122.30 for 130 oranges.

They were not my words - they were Larry's words. Check the posts.

I am not trying to be a prick, but maybe, just maybe it is a time to admit that comparing "apples to oranges" or "Watts to Oranges" is not a good idea.
No?

QuoteI really want to understand and could someone help correct my thinking here:  If this generator is operating under nonstandard conditions and produces a lot of heat, when the coils are shorted and the system speeds up or less watts are supplied to keep the same rpm, how do you know less heat is not being produced and the effect is simply not making the generator more efficient, and producing less heat?  If it is making the generator more efficient under these nonstandard conditions, it this setup still useful since so much energy is being lost as heat.  I find it fascinating the generator speeds up, but truly how 'efficient' is this set up?  Thanks for allowing me to play.

DEAR MACKENSTEFF,
(ARE YOU OUman'S NEW ALTER EGO?)

WHO CARES, AS SOON AS YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL POWER GOING TO THE PRIME MOVER YOU ARE DEAD MEAT. (THIS IS OUmon, PB etcs CON GAME)

TALKING ABOUT HEAT IS ALSO A CON ARTIST DISTRACTION TECHNIQUE.

YOU MUST ONLY LOOK AT THE RESPONSE TO LOADING.

THE MOTOR'S RESPONSE TO GENERATOR LOADING TO BE PRECISE.

EVERY PHYSICS TEXT BOOK IN THE WORLD TODAY WILL SAY THAT THE AMOUNT OF POWER YOU TAKE OUT OF YOUR GENERATOR - WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED SOMEHOW - INTO THE PRIME MOVER.

WE ARE SAYING HERE THAT THIS IS NO LONGER TRUE.

WE ARE SAYING, SHOWING AND PROVING THAT HIGH VOLTAGE COILS CAN UNDO THE CURRENT POWER BALANCING THEORIES IN RED ABOVE AND WE ARE REWRITING THE LAWS OT PHYSICS IN THE PROCESS - ACTUALLY WE ARE PROBABLY ONLY RE-PRESENTING WHAT TESLA KNEW MANY YEARS AGO BUT DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET TO ASSIST HIM.

JUSTME WILL BE POSTING OUR NEW GENERATOR PHOTOS SOON - WHICH WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE 24 COILS AND PERMANENT MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR WHICH ARE 8 TIMES STRONGER THAN THE ONES CURRENTLY EMPLOYED.

CHEERS
Thane

ps
If you are OUmon be nice for a while to trick us!