E=mc2 Polling Question

[EELRIJUE]

On the contrary, it is easy to turn a ship into pure energy form!

Nasa managed to do it with the Space Shuttle a few times already.


The problem is getting it back into structured material objects.

But you're right that E=mc^2 is an abbreviation of a larger fomula.
The rest of your story, especially the comparison to a vibrating washing machine,
is not something I can agree with easily. It comes eerily close to the new-age
vibrationology that is mostly wishfull thinking about vibrations magically playing
some vague role, but that has no real idea of the actual mechanism behind it.
To say "vibration makes movement easier" is just too superficial a conclusion.

vibration plays a major role in advanced physics, in regards to the aether and speed. So anything you have mentioned doesn't seem to address the aether or does it? The space shuttle does not work on the aether, and neither does E=mc^2...and it never will. Short form or abbreviated or not, it doesn't address the quantum field/aether directly. Einstein didn't know about the aether field intimately enough....

Vibration:
It's actually a simple cause behind many things still unknown to the most studied of researchers, in regards to the aether. 
"New Age".....well believe it or not, there is actually 'some' truth there. It's really a matter of letting go of the indoctrinated 'approximations' in progressive science (cold and closed minded science) and seeing it more from a broader and spiritual sense.

Seeing the universe through geometry, will help greatly...in deciding that dimensions/geometry also relate to frequency/vibration. It's not that hard really. You look at your own hand, it's actually made up geometry, which is dimensional. Your hand vibrates at the atomic level etc etc., and the very atoms are made of geometry....

E = mc^2

someone wants another formula that involves the aether? It may be too hard to address that one since there has been very little work done in understanding the aether field.

I could estimate that it would depend on 'field resonation', and that E value would change in regards to the resonation value. Of course, we are taking a much more different POV/approach to understanding matter to energy conversion.
Sort of like black hole physics here, where matter is being converted into pure energy at the singularity.
Actually, that's another interesting thing, since a black hole doesn't allow light to escape, and time shuts down inside a black hole, and yet matter MUST be turned into pure energy at the singularity.....light speed seems to have no meaning here.
At the heart of the black hole, the vibrational rate is so high that the local physics are detuned out, and time being a dimension in space is also collapsed. It tells us light speed is no longer a true condition of matter to energy conversion. Oh, it's probably involved outside of a black hole to a lesser extent, but so is vibration...at least in the black hole. That same vibration within the black hole, can be taken out and used out here in our local physics to perform the same matter to energy conversion.

perhaps E= mc^2 could look more like E = m X (deviation percentage off central aether frequency (resonate freqency))...or something which takes into account of how far we are away from actual aether frequency.

then again all matter/mass is geometrical, and certain geometries in complexity actually vibrate higher if more complex, enabling them to resonate upward more so.

Yeah, I know stuff is seemingly 'out there'...and some of you might think 'new age' as well, but it really isn't. There is actual practical application of this knowledge.....and it works.

[christo4_99]

i've thought about this and i think what Einstein was thinking is:the electrons are moving at the speed of light and if the atom itself is moving at the speed of light then the electron will lose it's orientation and become free from the attraction of the nucleus thereby unbounding each part from the other...and since unbound matter is no longer mass it becomes energy.

[christo4_99]

Pay careful attention to the words in bold, or you will more than likely not catch the contradiction.

In Special Relativity Theory, mass converts to energy as an object approaches the speed of light.  If this were true, then instead of having infinite mass as the theory proposes, a spaceship should be massless at the speed of light.   However, if the spaceship were massless at the speed of light, then it would have no energy because the mass would be zero.

I do not see how physicists could have ignored this simple contradiction for 100 years.  No doubt, the die-hard relativists will come out swinging with arguments that there is relativistic mass, which is different from rest mass, or some other such nonsense.

it's not actually a contradiction because you are starting with mass and ending with energy...the energy is already contained within the mass,acceleration to c2 only cancels the difference of the constituent parts,thereby making the nucleus(still) equal to the electron(motion)...if you mean massless in the sense that it would become energy then yes,it would be massless...it would expand by scalar decomposition.it is just a way to express the relationship between matter and energy...what you are doing is saying 1+2=3-1-2...in that you are disregarding the mass of the spaceship that you started with and saying that although it was accelerated to the speed of light and disintegrated that there was no energy released.

[EELRIJUE]

Taken from "Black Holes and Time Warps" - 'Einstein's Outrageous Legacy' authored by Kip S. Thorne

Page 476 subtitled "Inside Black holes"

"The Laws of quantum machanics object. They forbid the infinities. Very near the singularity, as best we understand it in 1993, the laws of the quantum mechanics merge with Einstein's general relativistic laws and completely change the "rules of the game". THe new rules are called quantum gravity.
Just when does quantum gravity take over, and what does it do? As we understand it in 1993 (and our understanding is rather poor), quantum gravity takes over when the oscillating tidal gravity (space time curvature) becomes so large that it completely deforms all objects in about 10^-43 seconds or less. Quantum gravity then radically changes the character of space-time. It ruptures the unification of space and time into spacetime. It unglues space and time from each other and then destroys time as a concept and destroys the definiteness of space. Time ceases to exist; no longer can we say that "this thing happens before that one," without time, there is no concept of "before" or "After".
Space, the sole remaining remnant of what was once a unified spacetime, becomes a random, probabilistic froth, like soapsuds. "

As far is this is concerned the 10^-43 seconds for 3D space plus time to be altered completely......
This is Planck-Wheeler time.
(Gh/c^5)^1/2
G = 6.67 X 10^-8 dyne-centimeter^2/gram^2 = Newton Gravitational constant.
h =  1.055 X 10^-27 erg-second
c = 2.998 X 10^10

All that is interesting, the real interesting part is 10^-43 seconds. It is time....but it is also frequency:

1/10^-43 = 10^+41 hertz ......where is gamma? 10^19 or so up to 10^24 hertz.



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Einstein showed that the velocity of light has the same value in all reference frames, whatever their velocity may be relative to other frames. From this point modern physics took off in the direction of Special and General Relatively Theory, and Quantum Mechanics. For many scientists the notion that an actual aether medium existed was simply discarded. Yet the apparent non-existence of an aether raised many problems---the M-M experiment was not the end of the story.

If all the air molecules are pumped out of a chamber, the chamber still contains residual radiation (electromagnetic noise from stars, x-rays, and heat radiation). Even before quantum mechanics, it was shown by classical radiation theory that if the temperature of the container is lowered to absolute zero, there remains a residual amount of thermal energy that can not by any means be removed. This residual energy in an empty container at absolute zero, was named "zero-point energy" (ZPE).

Putoff continues, "When the idea of the hydrogen atom was first put forward...one of the questions at the time was: why doesn't the electron simply radiate its energy away and spiral into the nucleus, in a way similar to the way our satellites have certain losses and spiral into the planet? At the time, the answer was simply, well it is just the magic of quantum theory, it doesn't obey classical rules, and for some reason hydrogen atoms are like little perpetual motion machines. But in fact, from the standpoint of the zero point energy approach...indeed you expect an electron in a hydrogen atom to radiate its energy away, but it picks up energy from the background zero point energy and therefore is sustained by it. What that means in terms of physics is that is shows why atoms can be seen as perpetual motion machines, it is just that they always have an energy input from the background to make up for the losses."

Australian Astronomer Barry Setterfield has, in the past year, picked up on this latest theory of the vacuum to explain the red shift of light from distant galaxies. Arizona astronomer William Tifft's research has recently shown that red-lifted light from the stars is quantized--this turns out to be also related to ZPE. Setterfield's new model also takes into account the evidence that the velocity of light is not a fixed constant. Setterfield concludes that the universe is not expanding at all, (as the Big Bang model has long supposed) but is static (it has a fixed diameter). The original energy input of outside energy on Day Two of creation--when God stretched out the firmament to its maximum expanse--accounts for the red-shift and the subsequent velocity of light decrease.
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In 1994 Stochastic Electrodynamics (SED) was explored by Haisch, Rueda and Puthoff who published the hypothesis that inertia may be the result of interactions between the electromagnetic zero-point field resident in the quantum vacuum and the quarks and electrons constituting ordinary matter (Phys. Rev. A, 49, 678, 1994). This paper suggested that Newton's equation of motion (F=ma), which is widely accepted as a postulate of classical physics, would be derivable from Maxwell's equations when applied to the electromagnetic zero-point field.

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[brian334]

Einstein was a crazy asshole and e=mc2 is bullshit.