Varnishing Tubes

[gazzzwp]

Hi Professor

Thanks for your post - no idea what your coating is, however your tubes do not look like S/S.  What material ae they - ordinary mild steel?

I did see the white coating on my tubes - here is the full post that I will put under a seperate topic on this forum:



Hi Again

Well I borrowed my neighbours scope and took some readings this morning.  My circuit switches between 0V and 12vdc and the FET is connected to a 10:1 step up transformer giving me an output voltage of just over 100V.

Using the diode and a combination of chokes in series with the cell, I can achieve a small trickle of gas with the inner tubes insulated using adhesive backed plastic film.  The purpose of this is to create an 'idealised capacitor' in Meyer's terminology.


My circuit is capable of controlling the frequency anywhere between a few hundred Hz and about 12Khz.  The capacitance of the cell is measured at 1.2 micro Farad.  One of my typical chokes is measured at approx 13mH.  Using the well known formula the resonant frequency should therefore be around 1400Hz.  In fact I cannot achieve resonance at any frequency.

This is a huge problem, because unless you can achieve resonance to see if any special effects occur, all you have is a PWM electrolysis system, which is never likely to attain over unity, since it relies on current.  Insulating the inner tubes means that my circuit cannot behave resistively and draw high currents.

I really do not know where to go from here.  However a few musings and possibilities come to mind:

1) That using higher voltages say 2KV instead of 100V may be enough to produce some different breakdown effect within the cell insulation changing the cell capacitance and  allowing resonance to occur.  However I have strong doubts that voltage is the key to it all.  Resonance should be possible at 100V if it is possible at all.

2) Using adhesive backed plastic; does this mean that I have created too much insulation?  Could it be that tube conditioning as (Lawton/Ravi suggest) is the only answer, until the white powder coats the inner cell adequately?  Again I have my doubts, and if this is true, it turns the exercise into an art rather than a science and it means that the repeatability of Stan's work is going to be extremely difficult to achieve.

As a matter of interest, when I dismantled my cell to insulate the inner tube, I did find a curious white coating/powder on the inner tube from previous testing.

3) Is resonance achievable using DC at all?  I know that some have already had this debate, and I can still find no definitive answer to this.  One option I have remaining is to use AC.  However a high power output variable frequency AC supply is beyond my means to acquire at this stage due to cost.  However I do have 240Vac 50Hz at my disposal.  What I could do therefore is find out what size choke is needed to achieve series resonance across a 1.2 micro Farad capacitor using a supply of 50Hz.  According to the well known formula, I need a 10H choke, which would be the size of a refrigerator!  I need to see if I could acquire such a beast.

Anyway the doubts are now mounting in my mind - not that Meyer did what he said he did, but I do now have some doubts that his work is repeatable.  I have the equipment to do what he did, and for some reason I just am unable to find the exact combination to produce high amounts of gas.  Maybe someone has a further insight that I have not yet tried!

Gazza

[aether22]

To me it seems almost too obvious to warrant mentioning, but if it is really important then this white layer will be Ormus.

I also suspect that to get the effect is in part related to electrical effect more that an electrolytic effect. (and while the cell plays an important part it could be replaced by a different electrical element in effect)

[professor]

Hi Gazzzwp
They say a picture is worth a thousand words Here it is!

Hi Professor

Thanks for your post - no idea what your coating is, however your tubes do not look like S/S.  What material ae they - ordinary mild steel?

I did see the white coating on my tubes - here is the full post that I will put under a seperate topic on this forum:



Hi Again

Well I borrowed my neighbours scope and took some readings this morning.  My circuit switches between 0V and 12vdc and the FET is connected to a 10:1 step up transformer giving me an output voltage of just over 100V.

Using the diode and a combination of chokes in series with the cell, I can achieve a small trickle of gas with the inner tubes insulated using adhesive backed plastic film.  The purpose of this is to create an 'idealised capacitor' in Meyer's terminology.


My circuit is capable of controlling the frequency anywhere between a few hundred Hz and about 12Khz.  The capacitance of the cell is measured at 1.2 micro Farad.  One of my typical chokes is measured at approx 13mH.  Using the well known formula the resonant frequency should therefore be around 1400Hz.  In fact I cannot achieve resonance at any frequency.

This is a huge problem, because unless you can achieve resonance to see if any special effects occur, all you have is a PWM electrolysis system, which is never likely to attain over unity, since it relies on current.  Insulating the inner tubes means that my circuit cannot behave resistively and draw high currents.

I really do not know where to go from here.  However a few musings and possibilities come to mind:

1) That using higher voltages say 2KV instead of 100V may be enough to produce some different breakdown effect within the cell insulation changing the cell capacitance and  allowing resonance to occur.  However I have strong doubts that voltage is the key to it all.  Resonance should be possible at 100V if it is possible at all.

2) Using adhesive backed plastic; does this mean that I have created too much insulation?  Could it be that tube conditioning as (Lawton/Ravi suggest) is the only answer, until the white powder coats the inner cell adequately?  Again I have my doubts, and if this is true, it turns the exercise into an art rather than a science and it means that the repeatability of Stan's work is going to be extremely difficult to achieve.

As a matter of interest, when I dismantled my cell to insulate the inner tube, I did find a curious white coating/powder on the inner tube from previous testing.

3) Is resonance achievable using DC at all?  I know that some have already had this debate, and I can still find no definitive answer to this.  One option I have remaining is to use AC.  However a high power output variable frequency AC supply is beyond my means to acquire at this stage due to cost.  However I do have 240Vac 50Hz at my disposal.  What I could do therefore is find out what size choke is needed to achieve series resonance across a 1.2 micro Farad capacitor using a supply of 50Hz.  According to the well known formula, I need a 10H choke, which would be the size of a refrigerator!  I need to see if I could acquire such a beast.

Anyway the doubts are now mounting in my mind - not that Meyer did what he said he did, but I do now have some doubts that his work is repeatable.  I have the equipment to do what he did, and for some reason I just am unable to find the exact combination to produce high amounts of gas.  Maybe someone has a further insight that I have not yet tried!

Gazza

[krypt013]

**** Could it be so simple, just add ORMES to the water? ****



ORMES the Secret WATER FUEL CELL ingredient:
By: Jeremy William VanHaitsma


Dear Researchers,



I believe that I could have some valuable information related to your
current research into successfully replicating the late Stanley
Meyer's Water Fuel Cell technology. I have been researching many over
unity systems and devices over the past several years and have taken
particular interest in the Water Fuel Cell technology... I have
researched into the replications of the WFC as done by Dave Lawton in
D14.PDF and the work of Ravi Raju. Also, I have been following the
work of various organizations devoted to the freeing/dissemination of
these types of technologies such as PANACEA-BOCAF and the ORION
PROJECT. I feel that Dave Lawton was able to get alot of valuable
ground work done for the WFC replication process and that Ravi Raju
was able to make some major contributions to the work of Mr. Lawton
with his modified voltage intensifier circuitry, longer and more
numerous tubes, and his signature 'conditioning' process for the tubes
which has shown to be invaluable in increasing the efficiency of the
WFC in both lowering current draw and increasing it's hydroxy gas
output. I recently read some documents that stated that during the
80's of Stan Meyer's heyday that he had met with a couple of other
inventors that were also researching into technologies related to free
energy whom may have offered some ideas and inspiration to Mr. Meyers
which may have had some influence upon his devices and processes. One
being John Bedini who as you may be familiar with had developed
motors/generators capable of tapping into and harnessing so called
radiant energy. The other inventor being David Hudson. David Hudson
is an Arizona farmer who discovered a new form of matter that he named
ORMES (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) namely from the
platinum group metals that occur in nature in monatomic and diatomic
micro clusters. The ORMES material has been found through the
research of him and others to be present in certain soils, sea salt,
water and other sources in nature. I don't want to go into the whole
story about how he discovered it but if you Google ORMES, ORMUS,
MONATOMIC GOLD, DAVID HUDSON, or visit www.subtlenergies.com you will
get the basic jest of it. Anyway, this ORMES material appears as a
white powder in a dry purified state and it's superconductive. It's
surrounded by a meisner field like other superconductors; it has
anti-gravity properties to it. It can be turned into a glass if it's
heated to a rather his temperature. It has the tendency to phase in
and out of our dimension, now please bear with me here. It has been
called strange matter, white powder gold, the Philosopher's Stone,
MFKZT by the Egyptians, manna in the bible, etc.... Glacial water
deposits tend to have rather high concentrations of it although it can
also be found in ordinary tap water. Which brings me to this material
David Hudson discovered and it's implications with the Water Fuel
Cell... This material has been shown to have other strange properties
as observed by David Hudson such as when he left a wet sample of the
material out in the sun to dry it disappeared in a brilliant flash of
white light scorching the material it was on, but with no explosion...
It simply turned into pure energy which released as bright light and
gamma rays. The meissner field that constantly surrounds the
monatomic atoms of gold, iridium, rhodium, etc. that make up the ORMES
is said to emanate from the zero point energy field coming out from
within the atoms and that the material is superconductive, but only if
you resonate with it with the correct input signal. In fact, if you
put a volt meter up to a sample of ORMES it will measure zero
conductivity. So what I'm thinking is that if this material just so
happens to be in tuned with the zero point energy field, and some of
the various devices that produce energy like the Bedini motors and the
Meyer's WFC are said to derive their function from the zero point
energy field that that is an inherent commonality that links these
three things together. They all have the zero point energy fields in
common that is. Now, remember I stated that in my research I read of
one of the other researchers stating that the ORMES material was a
superconductor but only if you 'resonate' with it? What do the Bedini
motor and the WFC have in common? If you look at the signals of each
device on side by side oscilloscopes you will notice that the stepped
pulse train waveforms are very similar in nature, and this stepped
pulse train is a unique type of signal that has the ability to coax
the energy to bubble up and out of the zero point energy field and
into the device to be received as output, whether that be strait
electricity as in the Bedini motor or through the production of
Brown's gas as with the Meyer's cell, and it's replications. Now,
after doing some more intense research regarding all the strange
properties of this ORMES/White powder gold material, and all the weird
stuff it does. Like phasing in and out of this plane of existence,
floating, displaying anti-gravity properties, disappearing into a
bright flash of light after being left in the sun, making plants grow
super fast, taller, with higher nutritional yields, curing cancer,
LOL, etc. etc. etc. it's almost like this ORMES material was the zero
point energy in the flesh so to speak... A small subculture of open
source researchers has sprung up around the ORMES technology on the
internet and people have discovered some pretty ingenuitive ways of
getting this material... Some companies synthesize it directly from
the metals themselves like ZPtech.net for instance, whom you can
purchase vials of the material, others have figured out ways to
extract it from salts from the Dead Sea, Great Salt Lake, and Celtic
sea salt. And others have also figured out how to extract it from
water using a contraption known in that community as a magnetic vortex
water trap. This device hooks up to your water source and spins the
water around in a vortex which is created in a container surrounded by
magnets, and since the ormes material is a superconductor and hence
paramagnetic it is pushed to the center of the vortex and the normal
water to the outside. Then this 'magnetic vortex trap water' is then
collected by a tube coming off the top center of the device and has
shown to have a concentration many 1000's the normal concentration of
ORMES as per the water sample. So what does ORMES have to do with the
WFC you may ask? The conditioning process developed by Ravi Raju that
takes so darn long to complete, constantly changing the water,
eventually resulting in the buildup of this white powdery coating onto
the outside of the tubes, which done improperly can flake off, etc.
...Wow, white powdery coating, ormes is a white powdery substance that
can form a coating. Ormes is present in water, but does not show up
on any normal types of chemical analysis. In fact it took David
Hudson years to finally try out this Russian method of chemical
analysis of burning the material in an electric arc inside of an argon
gas atmosphere for an extended time before he was able to discover the
presence of these platinum group metals. So, despite the fact that
other types of materials might have shown up and been thought
responsible in the white coating that forms while conditioning the
cells, such as calcium oxide, etc, unless the WFC researcher were to
use the very unique analysis techniques used by David Hudson than they
wouldn't even be aware of the presence of this ORMES material in the
sample. But let's just say that ORMES was in this white powdery
coating on the surface of the tubes, and that this played a part in
the water fracturing process. Lets assume that perhaps the more
refined stepped pulse train signals that oh so resonate with the zero
point energy field as made possible through the more refined voltage
intensifier circuitry like that done by Ravi Raju and his use of
inductor coils was working hand in hand with the ormes concentrated
material collected on the tubes from the water as per the conditioning
process, and that the signal was making the little itty bitty ORMES
micro cluster do a mad dance and strike into the black gold of zero
point energy!!! ORMES could be what's rolling out the red carpet for
zero point energy to join the party and the stepped pulse train is the
music that it's dancing to. But unfortunately I'm just a modest guy
currently working for a low wage that cannot afford to purchase a
pre-built WFC from the sources mentioned on the Panacea-Bocaf website
or even build a Dave Lawton or Ravi Raju WFC replication to test this
theory, which I strongly believe should be tested because it very well
could be the secret ingredient. But what I would do if I had a WFC
laying around like Mr. Lawton or Mr. Raju is I would test the
efficiency and outputs of the system before conditioning by adding
ORMES to the water. In magnetic vortex trap water form, in the sea
salt extraction form, and also in the synthetic form compliments of
http://www.zptech.net . Maybe if you put a spoonful of ormes into the water you
won't even need to condition the darn thing and you'll get Over unity
right off the bat!!! Just maybe anyway, and with its potential
implications I think it's worth a shot... Here is a link for a
YouTube video that shows you how to make ORMES from sea salt in case
you're as broke as I am, no pun intended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68jtnuMAa00 Have fun and happy research




Sincerely,
Jeremy William VanHaitsma