ORBO Technology Now Available To (Technical) Public - Any takers for €399?

[Omnibus]

I'll have a read Omnibus.

In the mean time, is it possible to test the theory with a circuit? Presume I have a 10GHz scope and probes of all types, do you believe it would be possible to measure?

Also, since the proof was arrived at from a mathematical perspective, would not a simulation also prove the theory? Provide a circuit and I will simulate it. With the simulation, I believe I can achieve as accurate a measurement as one would need.

.99

It's not that the theory isn't correct. It simply appears that it contains the OU possibility but that hasn't been noticed so far.

As for the experimental verification there are a lot of intrinsic problems. First off, the partitioning. 8-bit, even 10 or 12 bit scope is just not enough in view of the precision sought. Then the very procedures of digital integration and/or processing of data appear quite problematic when such accuracy is desired as here in these studies. Then, the probes themselves. Probably you remember, I used a Hall effect current probe from Tektronix but then it became apparent that the passive probe I was using may pose a problem having in mind it has something of the order of 115pF internal impedance. The experimental effect observed is so sensitive to phase shift that any parasitic such (from the circuit of the probe which is not the studies circuit) may lead to subtle errors with substantial consequences. So, in terms of experimenting with circuits, coils, transformers etc, aiming at evaluating the power balance would be suspect on so many accounts that it isn't even worth spending the hundreds of thousands of dollars for equipment. I'm even contemplating to sell my Tektronix DPO 2024, the current probe and so on and use the money for something that's more likely to bring in a conclusive result.

As for modeling, I think what I've done is modeling per se and it brought about unsuspected math problems in addition which complicated the matters even more. I think we should look for something really definitive and not just play with these things just for fun. Having fun is OK but it would be very desirable to also reach some final conclusions along the way. So far what's being generates are more and more questions and practically no solutions. Wouldn't you agree?

[Low-Q]

I don't mean to mess up the thread, but as far as I understand this project, it contains signals at very high frequencies. How should the wiring be if not all energy are lost as electromagnetic radiation? All wires and components should be terminated correctly, and all wires should be screened (?) - if not the theory and the measurements will not make sense?
Regarding the resolution of the scope, 8, 10 or 12 bit; If 12 bit resolution isn't enough what "OU rate" are we talking about? I did "read" the PDF - it is too complicated for me to understand. Anyways, for an limited braincapacity in electronics as myself, I still wonder, if the measurements are this delicate, should there possibly be extremely small amount of OU (?).

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[poynt99]

Omnibus,

If OU can be proved via a mathematical treatise, then I would suspect if can also be proved using a mathematical "engine" to achieve visual results of the same.

If it can be simulated with electrical components, provide the circuit and I'll do it. If not, then perhaps we'll wait for your new equipment to arrive.

.99

[Omnibus]

Omnibus,

If OU can be proved via a mathematical treatise, then I would suspect if can also be proved using a mathematical "engine" to achieve visual results of the same.

If it can be simulated with electrical components, provide the circuit and I'll do it. If not, then perhaps we'll wait for your new equipment to arrive.

.99

I wonder how this simulation with electrical components can be done. We're talking about comparisons of the input and the output power. Earlier in the discussion we were talking about constructing a cnverter which would transform the output waves into proper corresponding input waves (suppose if we have capacitors to acquire the output and then the convertor prepares the input waves from what's in the capacitors). Unfortunately, the losses will be horrendous and that will kill the OU effect. I'd be curious if you have any other suggestions.

[TinselKoala]

Show me a single functioning 'Orbo' device powering anything. You can't, it doesn't exist. Four years later. The end.

I can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emj8kSREv7c