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Joerg Raimund Hempel and his Ionic Magnetic Power IMP CAP Charging

Started by hartiberlin, March 03, 2011, 08:08:48 PM

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dutchy1966

According to the patent there is a conditioning process for the cells. In this process the cells ARE briefly short circuited after which a futher conditioning takes place.
Here is what the german patent says about conditioning the cells:

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For conditioning the ion cell(s) they are first charged to the rated capacity. This can be done by a conventional method. Subsequently, the ion cells are short-circuited for a short period in which there is still no noticeable heating of the cell. It has been found that this period should not exceed five seconds, and preferably the short circuit takes place for only two seconds. A strong warming of the ion cell, ie more than a few degrees C °, is to be avoided, as this indicates irreversible destructive processes within the cell.

An in this way conditioned ion cell, particularly a lithium-ion battery is already showing a higher efficiency, compared to a conventional not conditioned ion cell. This effect can be further enhanced if the following conditioning steps are followed. There follows a further charge with a charging current of between 10 mA and max. 400 mA to a voltage which is about 10% above the rated voltage of the cell and the charge current has dropped to below 10 mA. Subsequently, the ion cell is controlled discharged with a a current of between 80 mA and 600 mA until an abrupt voltage and dischargecurrent drop is observed. Then, the above-described charging and discharging process is repeated and checked again for the  accelerated voltage drop.

Such conditioning was carried out on lithium-ion battery type SAMSUNG SF 18 650 GR U.S., where the charge was a charge current of 80 mA until the cell poles at a voltage of 4 V system (nominal voltage of 3.7 V cell ) and the charging current dropped to 10 mA. Then, the lithium-ion cells were discharges with a current of 160 mA until the voltage at the poles of the cell dropped to 2.5 V. After recharging, as described above, the lithium-ion cell was discharged to a voltage of 2.95 volts.
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regards,

Dutchy

dutchy1966

Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy


i_ron

Quote from: dutchy1966 on March 05, 2011, 07:56:00 AM
Hi,

Some more thoughts and questions....

If you watch the video in detail you can see the " cell pack" laying on a plastic container which has all wires going in and coming out.
So far so good, but later on in the video he takes the "cell pack" off the container and then puts it back on. You can clearly see that the "cell pack"is NOT connected to the container with any wires! So WTF is going on?

Then another thing... In the video you can see a whiteboard behind him which shows a schematic which seems to represent the setup on the table.
Note that the video is available on YT in 1080p quality and the schematic can be seen quite well in certain shots!

The more I look into it the weirder it gets....

regards

Dutchy

Yes, I had noticed that too. I wondered if the 'container' on the bottom had the actual cells?

This stuff only comes up for Switzerland and is a bit pricey

"3M DAUERMAGNETBAND MGO 1317 PLASTINORM (80-1300-0508-7) - 2 Jahre Garantie    249.95"  (CHF = .7746 eur)

More unobtainium???

Ron

Edit: Kerbo in the UK...you can get a whole box of 10 for only 736 Pounds, LOL

neptune

My thoughts so far .There is quite a lot of information in the patent . However ,there are still unknowns . Firstly , the magnetic strip .In my opinion , any tape sold in A and B versions is not suitable . The field orientation will be wrong . What is needed is tape with magnetic material only on the edges . I reach this conclusion from the patent diagrams . Given a "conditioned" cell or battery , we need to test the device . The easy test is to charge a very large cap through a very thin wire .Perhaps if we time how long the cap takes to charge it is possible to calculate the average current needed to charge it in this time . We could then subject the same wire to that current for the same time , and see if it melts . If it does , we know something strange is happening .If I am not mistaken , this device is patented in the USA. I suspect that to get a patent , no demonstration would be required . as long as no claim was made of overunity or perpetual motion .However , if this effect is not real , what would be the point of spending thousands of dollars on a patent .With its vast potential in the market place , why are manufacturers not queuing up to buy it ? As allways , more questions than answers .

skywatcher

I have a 0.5 F 15V capacitor which i can also charge in some seconds using a thin wire and a power supply without the wire getting hot, but when i short-circuit the charged capacitor with a screwdriver i get an impressive firework. I don't see any anomalies here.