The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[JouleSeeker]

Actually you've inverted a number as it was originally stated (although incorrectly) that it was an M-416 but was later pointed out by Mavendex that this was a mistake and it should have been the M-417.  While no one has identified an exact replacement in the U.S. I'm sure there are some that might work but you may need to get a different size shell.  Also as twinbeard has mentioned it is likely you can make your own with magnetite if you are creative enough. 

Thanks much, e2Matrix!  That's helpful.

Now a physics question that I think may be relevant to the Gabriel device.  The high-permeability toroidal core will tend to "contain" the magnetic (B) field inside the core.

Here's my thought experiment, which would be fun to do as a real experiment.  Consider a coil of wire (with a tiny light-bulb load), air core, and push and pull a magnet into and out of this coil -- clearly, a current will be generated and the light will glow.  Faraday (I understand) visualized B lines of force moving the electrons in the wire.

Now, place a high-permeability hollow cylinder into the coil and then do the same thing.  Let's assume that the cylinder is long enough and high-perm enough that the wire-coil sees very little B field lines.  (Close to zero.)  Also, stipulate that this high-perm tube has very high resistance (ohms) also so as to have essentially no Eddy currents.
The question -- will there still be an electrical current generated in the coil?

[FreqShift]

Lithium batteries are very prone to explode into flames if they are not charged in a very controlled way while you can hit lead acid batteries with almost anything and they seem to like it.

Ok. Thank you.

I can live with lead acid batteries.. for now.

So how can we attach an 800 watt DC motor as the load in this circuit?

[Aphasiac]

Ok. Thank you.

I can live with lead acid batteries.. for now.

So how can we attach an 800 watt DC motor as the load in this circuit?

We've got a long ways to go before we're there, Freqshift.
We're still trying to obtain materials, to build something that's functional and useful, to standardize our results and to replicate reliably. You're welcome to join in, as part of that pursuit, if you like.

[JouleSeeker]

Actually you've inverted a number as it was originally stated (although incorrectly) that it was an M-416 but was later pointed out by Mavendex that this was a mistake and it should have been the M-417.  While no one has identified an exact replacement in the U.S. I'm sure there are some that might work but you may need to get a different size shell.  Also as twinbeard has mentioned it is likely you can make your own with magnetite if you are creative enough. 

OK -- thanks, e2matrix -- Magnetec indeed has the M-417.  Here are some specs:

Product: M-417
   

Description:
M-417 (81693)Toroidal core NANOPERM
200 x 175 x 30 mm

Price per Unit: 180,00 EUR

URL = http://www.magnetec.de/shop/details.php?id=119&kategorie=7&main_kat=&start=10&nr=

That cost, 180 Euros, is (today) $261, which is fairly expensive...  Plus the time & cost to ship from Europe.  Is there an alternative?  Or at least, does anyone know how long it takes to ship to the States?

(PS -- I'm putting my "thought experiment" above on hold until I can actually do an experiment to find out the answer...)

[Aphasiac]

That cost, 180 Euros, is (today) $261, which is fairly expensive...  Plus the time & cost to ship from Europe.  Is there an alternative?  Or at least, does anyone know how long it takes to ship to the States?[/b]

I think they may not ship for 10 days. Which likely means you're looking at a month or more for delivery.

I've searched for an alternative supplier from the states. There are several other nanocrystalline core suppliers in N.A. (ie:   http://www.hilltech.com/products/power_components/amorphous_nanocrystalline_cores.html#SA). The problem is in matching-up the performance characteristics, and of course, the other problem is that I don't really know what i'm doing. lol.

Hoping to find an alternate within the next couple of days.

Aphasiac.