The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

Maybe wind more turns on primary to avoid saturation and increase inductance... You don't need toaster anymore, in short:
In USA you have 120 V, 60 Hz OK. The cross section of the M 417 is only 2.78 square centimeter... With Boucherot formula (V=4.44*N*F*(S/10^4)*B) with V in Volts, N is turns of wire, F frequency in Hertz, S effective surface (Afe) in square centimeter and B is induction in Teslas... For USA grid the turn number must be: 1475 turns !!! --> Out of the windows...
I sugest you use power amp or variable inverter for example 225 turns you need the famous 400 hertz a motor generator set can do the trick...
Or use Power amp (I have one at 24V at 3 amps per channel...)
Use of course 1/1 ratio and what hapen when you put a load ?
A theory is the shield when it is saturated, it inverse the polarity of the magnetic field. The magnetic field helping each other instead fighting in conventional trafos... See this: http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm especially Fig3 and Fig4 with the shield... Anyone can test those theories ?

[taomaster]

Cliff (vgrayus2 in Yahoo Gabriel_OS group), that was an extremely valuable file you uploaded (Nested B-Toroid Calcs). You put an incredible amount of work into it, and I am very impressed with your skill and dedication. (We can certainly ignore the few typos!)

I can't critique the electronics math, since I don't have the relevant expertise, however, I think you raised some very good points, and gave some incredibly good ideas for trying to make this a practicable (and affordable) device.

For example: (1) stacking several inner cores and wrapping them as a unit to increase power output, (2) using steel pipe to form "barrel-shaped" outer toroids to resolve the issues of costly shaping and capacity limitations, and (3) using more affordable, alternative inner core material to make the device more practicable. The tables you give for constructing different power configurations are also extremely interesting.

I don't really have the expertise in electronics to design anything like this. However, I do have experience in statistical research, so I understand how important it is to do tests at specific "values" (aka device configurations) to confirm the boundaries of predictable behavior. You appear to come very close to laying out a "workable" basic configuration for the Gabriel device. However, it seems to me that we're still not at a point yet where a "basic" configuration has been shown to be reproducible, much less where any outer boundaries lie.

I hope that some of you experimenters out there who actually know what he's talking about (and have the time and money) will put some of these ideas to good use.

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

Thank you for responce, I put a lot work in this because I have always believe Trafos can be OU, Actually conventional Trafos are the most efficient device of this world (Ein and Eout can be up to 99% !!) Trafos are (in higher frequency) light, simple, cost effective, very reliable and beautiful^^ For me a FE device based on trafos is the "Saint Graal" of the energy conversion world !!! Imagine tomorrow you need a 2 or 3Kw FE generator for your heating because your wife have said it's very cold in your home, you take your car go to the hypermarket and buy a OU trafos of 3Kw, the life isn't beautiful, no ?
Also recently nuclear crisis in Japan (Japan is a country that I love very much), it's time to shift with another method to "produce", store and consume energy, and banish dangerous technology like nuke... A dream maybe but a good dream...

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

Sorry for two consecutive post, here a "gift" of my theories...

Relationship between "Gabriel device" and Tesla Patent 433.702:

Tesla Quote:
This invention is an improvement in electrical transformers or converters, and has for its main objects the provision of means for securing, first, a phase difference between the primary and secondary currents adapted to the operation of my alternating-current motors and other like purposes, and, second, a constant current for all loads imposed upon the secondary.

It's very clear here: the outer core (the shield) is magnetized first and slightly after the inner core become magnetized, providing a phase difference, maybe a simple technique to create 3 phases from one without inverter and fancy stuff. The phase difference can be tuned by the thickness of the shield more it's thick, more you have phase difference...

Secondo: It's obvious (for me of course...) Tesla speak of OU characteristic...
In short: when you put a load in the secondary the primary current remain the same (only magnetising current) PF=0, while providing real energy PF=1...

In transformers as constructed now and heretofore it will be found that the electro-motive force of the secondary very nearly coincides with that of the primary, being, however, of opposite sign.

LOL, Conventional energy waster Trafos in full action here, and a wink to the Lenz Law... Tesla I think you can give a spanking to the human beings LOL after a century we continue to waste energy in Trafos, Sorry...

Under these conditions or circumstances, as long as the primary current has a small value, the shield protects the secondary; but as soon as the primary current has reached a certain strength, which is arbitrarily determined, the protecting magnetic shield becomes saturated and the inductive action upon the secondary begins. It results, therefore, that the secondary current begins to flow at a certain fraction of a period later than it would without the interposed shield, and since this retardation may be obtained without necessarily retarding the primary current also, an additional lag is secured, and the time interval between the maximum or minimum periods of the primary and secondary currents is increased

Here the whole explanation of the phase difference effect, no more comment from me...

I have further discovered that such a transformer may, by properly proportioning its several elements and determining in a manner well understood the proper relations between the primary and secondary windings, the thickness of the magnetic shield, and other conditions, be constructed to yield a constant current at all loads. No precise rules can be given for the specific construction and proportions for securing the best results, as this is a matter determined by experiment and calculation in particular cases; but the general plan of construction which I have described will be found under all conditions to conduce to the attainment of this result.

Everything is said here, thickness of material an several other condition (the difference between permeability and reluctance stuff to extract the more power possible without impacting the primary) Need some calculation (see above and the Thane BITT topic which I have wrote some theories and formula about this...

After in the patent is the description of the drawings...

Voila, maybe some keys to understand the Grabriel device (Tesla induction device) and try to reproduce the experiment in scientific method...

1° Correct Ampere turns to avoid saturation of the inner core and avoid the toaster limiter... (Use Boucherot formula)
2° Use a small shield for the primary (it can saturate more easily and have a high reluctance...

3° Use a very low reluctance (high permeability) core for the secondary.

4° The more the difference reluctance between Outer and inner core is, the more power you can extract.
5° A theory about the reversing polarity of a saturated metal (the two field helping each other instead fighting each other)

6° Good work and good luck !!!

7° Pray for Japan...

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

Yeah, three msgs in a row...

I have a M-116 core (160 OD * 130 ID * 30 H millimeters), I want to replicate and test...
If anyone can tell me where I can find steel donuts that can fit these dimensions above... ?
One more question it's stainless steel or (which is non magnetic, permeability µ = 1.1) or ordinary steel... ?
Thanks in advance !