The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8

[Jack Noskills]

I did not explain things too well. You don't need to use anything inside toroid, I just described what I tested.

What I am after is not BITT type of transformer. You would just skip the donut part and instead of second toroidal coil you would and wind coil around toroid perpendicular to secondary directly on top of it. Actually it would be easier and cheaper as a product if it would work.

I am not saying it works but it would make an interesting experiment while you wait for that steel donut. And as an additional test, rods inside donut might also be usefull if they get voltage induced. Again not saying it works but if you got the toys then why not play with them.

I recall that Mav said those donut part arced once and they should be insulated. Would it be possible to take voltage out of that steel donut directly ?

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

OK, sorry, I haven't understood, two winding perpendicular without shield, I see two problem here when two are perpendicular, the magnetic field of the primary doesn't interfere with secondary (see law of induction)and you need shield to produce the magnetic diode when winding are wind with the same angle...

If I have the time I'll test with nail or a steel rod inside the nanoperm toroid to see if it induce something...

I recall that Mav said those donut part arced once and they should be insulated. Would it be possible to take voltage out of that steel donut directly ?

I haven't see this but curious that the shield was arcing, the shield is equivalent to one shorted turn (eddy current) so the voltage is generally low but amperage high (this why we use insulated lamination to avoid this).

Maybe rather the secondary leads was arcing, you can get beautiful arc with only 120 VAC, I have already shorted a 230/120VAC isolation trafo then beautiful spark, so no need 10 Kilovolts to make arc...

[Jack Noskills]

I thought too that there should be no effect because of perpendicular windings, thats what the text book says. I just happened to have coil ready on the ferrite ring and was too lazy to unwound it. My original purpose was to see if iron nail could produce voltage in the coil outside the ring. Well it did but to my amazement there was also voltage in the toroidal coil and it had much higher value.
Maybe circular form of the ring has something to with this. If it were solid and windings crossed then there would be nothing.

Now imagine if this was really happening, you could then perhaps put those two coils in series and then connect them to capacitor. Now charge the capacitor to 220 V. Current in the outer coil would then induce more voltage in the toroidal coil because it creates flux that goes in loop inside the ring. Voltage that is induced in toroidal coil creates also flux but this would not oppose outer coil because outer coil is not perpendicular to this flux. So energy in the system would increase if windings are in correct direction. Would the thing then run by itself ?
If would also be interesting to test with a capacitor between two coils that are in series and then one capacitor in parallel with the whole system. Capacitors should be of same value so that there would be parallel and series resonance effect at the same time.

If energy increases then system would blow up so you need a safety spark gap.

This Utkin paper had an example of a transformer that had coil in ferrite loop that was put between two metal plates. Plates were connected to the ends of coil. When coil is wound in correct direction there occurs energy creation, if it is wrong way there occurs energy destruction. Now this steel donut could form a capacitor in Gabby, it would be usefull if someone would test also this option. This type of transformer was invented by a 7th year student in some school in Moscow back in 1992.

[AmericanMan31]

I value very much what you have to say, however.. I am confused when you say, "could produce voltage in the coil outside the ring." and i cannot visualize what you are describing. To what ring are you referring to?
The core?
OR, is it the shell?
I like your idea.

~Clarification would be highly appreciated. Also, do you know what patent the moscow student  has, if any, or the name of the device?

[Mavendex]

Ok, so what's up? Did you finely tune it and are attempting a patent (which the gov and big business wont let ya; but ya can try); or are you still trying to replicate your work? Get it tuned? This thread was hot.

I love pessimistic people makes my job look easy
Ive gotten things where I want them and have independent replication of it thats all I need