Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[powercat]

I wonder why you have started posting here again especially when taking into account your own words
in the statement below, I don't have to work hard to prove you're a liar, you're doing that all by yourself
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Quote from: mrwayne on October 07, 2012, 05:10:04 PM
To All,
The Validation team has now - for the third time - requested that I leave this forum.
I need to respect that wisdom - but I will miss your discussions.
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You seem to be completely blinded by your own faith in this device and I'm sure it has gained you
many followers and investors and good luck to you with that one,
but you really shouldn't go around on the Internet claiming that your device produces overunity
and not expect to get challenged and you shouldn't be surprised that people want proper scientific proof
and validation before believing,
so far what you have offered this forum has not produced clear overunity.
Clearly you are so anxious to silence people like me rather them getting on with validation and presenting
proper clear evidence,but I'm not surprised you seem to prefer preaching repetitive rhetoric instead.

All we ever get from Wayne & Red is words and more words and in all the months that have gone by has anybody produced clear overunity...NO so what does that tell everyone about those words.

[TinselKoala]

100% free. 

The plane "kit" is a PDF so it was easy enough to re-color.  My 3 year old picked the colors!  I also sized it up from 1:33 to 1:24.

Paper is a wonderful modeling medium.

M.

Very nice indeed, it looks like a plastic model with molded parts!

Too bad you can't get a .pdf of a Zed system, print it out on, say, overhead transparency material, cut it out and assemble it. I don't think it would be nearly as complex as an airplane.... no compound curves or weird angles or flappy things to worry about, just a bunch of cylinders, end plates, and so on. You could even print out reinforcing struts or braces, so that once it's all folded and glued together it will be sturdy enough to hold the weight and pressure of the water. And as you point out, .pdf plans like this can be scaled without losing proportion.

Red could include the .pdf in his "Zed for Dummies" book and might be the first one to profit materially from Mr Wayne's scheme, by selling the book and the kits to..... well, to dummies.

But don't worry, you and I won't get any credit for this amazing idea, which brings the Zed system within reach of anyone with a printer and a pair of scissors and some various adhesives. Oh.... and a three-year old.

[TinselKoala]

A "fact" you say........... you have deluded yourself - you have drank from the blood you spill and have become drunk.

Powercat has documented many things you've said that have not turned out to be true. This is a fact. Whether or not you are deliberately lying is between you and the God you cite so often. However, to accuse Powercat of delusion, spilling and drinking blood, even metaphorically.... says a lot about your psychology, Mister Wayne Travis.

I gave you respect in advance. I shared our trouble and our success, I shared with you the discovery of a life time and the pitfalls of being on a new frontier - and you twist my words for your own personal gain.

You did not share your raw data, you claimed to have a "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" which you have never shared by showing photos or data or information as to how the clear overunity was determined; you have never given energy balance data, you have never told us what the ratio of work in to work out is for any of your TEN alleged designs; you claim 960 percent of "something".... without justification of how that value was obtained or what it means (since you claim "NO INPUT"....); and finally.... who is "gaining" personally from quoting your exact words (not "twisting" them as you claim)? Nobody.... except those who may be deterred from wasting their investment money on your speculations and .... lies, if that is what they are.

I know that some people are wise enough to roll with change, some are brave enough, and others throw mud.

Indeed. Who is bearing the brunt of most of the mud being thrown in this forum? YOU? I laugh at you.

You take advantage of our open and honest format - listen....I tell the truth even when it hurts - is that what scares you.

Please read the description of this forum on the front page of the site. It is you who are abusing the OPEN SOURCE ideal upon which this forum functions. You have not respected that ideal, you are obfuscating and refusing to cooperate as someone who REALLY HAD what they claim could and would do. You are acting nearly exactly like so many others we have seen who make grand claims, cannot support them with facts, and then begin with the whining and delays and personal attacks against the skeptics who challenge them to prove their claims. You do avoid telling the outright lie which can be thrown back at you when it's discovered, but you've told plenty of lies, Mister Wayne, whether you are doing it deliberately or not. Perhaps you do believe in your system and you are primarily lying to yourself, I don't know.... but anyone can review Powercat's list and find lots of things you've said that didn't come true. Even the statement that "we" are taking advantage of "our" open and honest format.... is a lie from you. You PM people and refuse to allow them to PM you back! That is a clear abuse, whether or not you want to admit it.

Let me be very clear - we are succeeding - not "in spite" of your mud or your allies - but because we have what is important - a real purpose, a clear vision a truely overunity system and people who are brave.

What "success"? You say you have an important, clear vision... .but you don't have a functioning apparatus that does what you claim.
Your cynical involvement of youth groups and church groups is particularly egregious, in my opinion. What are those Boy Scouts going to do when they finally learn that you cannot deliver, in spite of your constant promises and constructions? How will they feel? Whether you are right or wrong about your Zed system, it was wrong of you to involve these innocent youths in your scheme.

Lots of good brave people - crushing me is nothing to our cause - it was planned that way. As i said - this i s not about me - you waste your time.

SO we are crushing you now? When all you have to do is to SHOW A WORKING SYSTEM THAT DOES WHAT YOU CLAIM, to shut up all skeptics forever?  Who is really wasting their time, Mister Wayne? I think it is you, and all the people you claim to have working for and with you.
"It" is indeed about you; you have made it so at every step. You are the one with the personality cult, you are the one who convinced your family members to back you financially, you are the ONLY ONE with an apparatus that is claimed to make overunity performance...... and you are the one that keeps posting verbiage on this forum, apparently against advice from your "team" and even in contradiction to your own statements. "It" is totally about you, Mister Wayne, Travis Effect, MisterWaynesBrain website owner.

Here is the fact about men or ladies of character - You and the few others do not define us - nor do you have any rights to demand anthing from us.

If you come to an OPEN SOURCE FREE ENERGY forum with claims that you have a device that does the things you claim, then yes, "WE" do in fact have the "right" to demand that you support your claims with facts. You can respect that right, or not.... but if you do not respect it, then let me respectfully suggest that you are in the wrong place, with your claims that cannot be supported.

Prove your superior mind -you have what you need to analyze our system - stick with the Real Facts and get off of your personal attacks.

Where are these personal attacks? Against whom are the majority of the personal attacks made? Where is the information needed to analyse your system? Where are the REAL FACTS about, for example, the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" that you have claimed to have? Where is your PATENT? What are the real facts on that, Mister Wayne?

If you can't understand the system or are too tired -  call me what you wish - I will gladly be the kid you try to beat down, the wise and brave people see through you. Spend your energy on me - I can take it.
I have taken more than you can dish out for a long time, and I have learned wisdom from it.
I have added you to my prayer list. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com

Nobody is trying to "beat you down" Mister Wayne! It's classically paranoid to think so. You are being called a liar, because you've made so many statements that aren't true. What else are you being called?
How is asking for you to prove your claims, and pointing out many things you've said that aren't true... how is that "beating you down"? Only if "we" are correct in our assertions that you are lying and cannot prove your claims, could any of that be construed as "beating you down". There is one sure way to counter all our arguments, and we all know what it is, and we all... even you.... know you cannot deliver it. SO you make these content-free posts that say nothing about your system, your progress or lack of it, your measurements, your validation schedule..... and in the final reckoning, you still have nothing to show.

Please remove me from your "prayer list", and use the time you save to TELL THE TRUTH to your fellow human beings on this Earth. You live but once, Mister Wayne, and each day brings you undeniably closer to the end of your one life. You do not have "all the time in the world".  Get yourself straight and take responsibility for your claims, your statements, your involvement of children, and your scheduling problems. Try to understand what your continuing difficulty in making a machine work according to your theory is telling you.

[Red_Sunset]

To read this message,  please put on your 3D glasses (switch off the neon lights)
If you have any issues reading the response to Tinsel's post above, let me know

TK, I got a problem with line 33, it is unreadable, can you re-phrase.  In Line 48, the shit you spun is dripping on the shit below,  please can you make a correction to maintain that trash.

[mrwayne]

TK, Powercat, John - or maybe you have been mislead to what rights you have - as demonstrated by your recent demands.
Maybe this is the wrong class for you....
Yes - I have been asked not to comment here - not because I do not have valuable information to teach - but due to your inability to accept or discern our system.
Do you want to know why I broke my silence??? (Its pretty good on our side of the ZED)... enough said 
You do not get to dictate to me, sorry, I am not your dog... and for your benefit - respect I give you - that you have not earned in this thread - I refuse to treat you like one.
Your quest to demand authority over a project has added nothing to the education of the ZED system, it has confused others into thinking they have the right to make demands as well..
Build your own inventions, make you tubes and live a happy life.
I wish you the best.
In the mean time - we will move forward. Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergy Revolution LLC
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com