Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser

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RM
I will have to look for the Link ,A Chinese fellow Built a Portable plastic waste proccessor that he took to Third world countries to make Fuel on demand,Very small [home garbage compacter sized].I don't know if he's from the same company as the Big Plants E Goose Mentioned?

We had a brief discussion on this Here ,but it was decided it wasn't for the faint of heart !

I know this can be done  safely ,it just requires some safety Protocol be followed!
This I can Do!!

Good stuff
Chet

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Hey Chet,

Cool

I did not find out about plastic into oil technology until a few weeks ago when I heard about the Japanese guy via Rumormillnews. I was impressed, but it was not until the conversation with Mr Goose I realised the potential for gasification injectors. Thankyou Mr Goose!

The fact that HELIS technology is perfectly suited for integration is a big bonus!!

I have been thinking about it and if we were to use a heater element to start the gasification process powered by the battery then once the engine is running we can turn the heater element off. We insert the plastic boiler water system in between the engine and the radiator and use waste engine heat to continue making gas.

If we also upgrade the alternator to a PMA we are saving power that can be used to run a Dry Cell and we can also add HHO into the mix in the same way as the gas. I have put up the Mk3 Injector to show the same venturi effect for a HHO feed. Just watch that the HELIS insert does not erode too badly via electrolysis, if it does then don't use it in this way and just take a HHO feed from a Dry Cell. When (if) the titanium plating technology is proven then that will prevent HELIS insert erosion.

Also, this might interest you:

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cpp2-pressurised-paint-container/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

Perfect for what we need I think!

I was also thinking about processing the plastic into liquid for storage as well. If you were to melt the plastic down into a liquid and then pour it into a container smaller than the pressure container, and then allow it to cool... You would have solidified plastic pellets the perfect size.

Refuelling your car would be as simple as dropping a new plastic pellet in and filling the tank with water.

The only thing you gotta watch out for is plastics with a high melting temperature such as polypropylene which is over 100 C, they might not melt.

RM

[ElectricGoose]

E Goose
Very nice place you have here!
For me Making Fuel from waste plastic ,the way "Blest" the Japanese Comp Does Would be A good Goal.
  Making the Gas [Liquid Or Vapor] Then Running the whole process In a Loop Plus Extra!,Thats My kind of OU!!
AS I recall User Resin Rat commented something about a narrow Temp window where the magic happens ,He intimated that it wouldn't be easy
for the Doit Yourself crowd!

This may have been for the Tougher plastics ,I also remember something about 400 degrees F?

An 80% return is Stupifying ,We gotta give this a go...........

I am most definately going to play with this!
I hope Resin Rat can share some of the Chemistry involved with this?
I will Pm him ,And Beg is Input here................
Thanks
Chet

Chet

Very nice to have you and RM enthusiatic.  When I told you guys originally that less than 5% 'fuel' to water ratio is more than achievable, I wasnt kidding.  In fact the numbers can get very low indeed.

One of the MANY things you have to let go of is 'common perception' or the herd thinking...some call it the sheeple mind.  Society is so hopelessly blinded that unless you first let go of EVERYTHING, you cannot then start afresh to assess where the truth lies.   

Unfortunately, these forums are often a further distortion of the sheeple mind because now you have a group of people perhaps focussing on one way to make alternate energy when that way is so incredibly inefficient!!!  HHO is a classic example of this.  One idea that has taken off in order to supposedly save you gas bills but it is so much hard work when the actual truth is so very much simpler.

BTW...for all you HHO lovers out there....Im not saying there ISNT a way to crack water into its gas efficiently for fuel!  What I am saying is this - IF YOU CURRENTLY DONT KNOW HOW TO CRACK WATER AND THINK THE WAY IS VIA ELECTROLYSIS OR FANCY PWM ALONE THEN YOU ARE IN FOR A LONG HARD ROAD OF EXPENSE AND DISAPPOINTMENT.  I am only trying to save you this and suggest other ways that are so very efficient at cracking the energy from water.

Question everything....and then try attempt the impossible.

[ElectricGoose]

I like this concept to recycle plastic or rubber, recycling car tire would be very great and so easy to get and free.

To get a car/truck to run 100% from it, what is the size of the reactor that we need, you will probably never able to
put in the engine bay where all the heat is located?

If you put in the trunk the problem is to get move the eat from the engine bay in the reactor.

My dear fellow....youre damning yourself before you have even started!!  :-)

An efficient reactor suitable for a 4 cylinder engine could fit in the palm of your hand.  As far as heat goes, there is plenty to be had around the exhaust which is outside the engine bay.  You spread the components around and there is plenty of room.

Best

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Ok guys I have finished all the reposts that I feel were pertinent to the discussion.

I have left the HHO information in there as in my opinion we simply do not know enough about this technology yet and it would be premature to exclude it on current assumptions.

It might just be the curious guy that gives it a go that makes the breakthrough, so I feel it is only right that they have the knowledge available if they want it. (Plus I personally love HHO  )

I think I am going to put up a summary and maybe a new better graphic when I have had a chance to sleep on all this, this technology has really got me excited in a way that has been absent for a while. It is getting my full attention... that's for sure 

RM