Overbalancing wheel

[Low-Q]

One of these anonymous persons happens to be myself

Bill are perfectly safe The files are big, yes.

Bill: When you scan documents, please select a lower resolution. My guess is a default resolution of 300DPI. Change it to 72DPI (Manually type "72" in the resolution section). Also select "Greyscale", or even "Black&White". It will reduce the filesize to minimum 1/18, maximum 1/200.

That said, when anyone of you wants to make an overbalanced wheel, all that matter is the potential energy left in each weight after one complete cycle. If the weights are starting and ending at the same hight, there will never be excess potential energy to run the wheel. As far as I know, all gravity wheels I've seen this far, does exactly that. All the weights are limited to a given radius and hight. So there should be no reason why such wheels will ever run. Complexity, timing, etc. are not interesting. These factors will not change the potential energy. Weights are still just weights regardless of alignment, complexity, and numbers.

Vidar

[Dr]

@ Low-Q: Do you or anyone you know have a math formulae That proves the impossibility of a gravity driven wheel? Im talking about using weights and gravity in a wheel.

[quantumtangles]

@ Low-Q: Do you or anyone you know have a math formulae That proves the impossibility of a gravity driven wheel? Im talking about using weights and gravity in a wheel"

The impossibility of gravity driven wheels is said to arise from the inventors failing to take account of ALL forces and torques. So yes, there may be an imbalance on one 'side' of the wheel, but the torques and forces in for example the chain or pulley are not taken into account. Hence Newtonians (I fall into this category) argue gravity wheels are impossible, and this argument is supported by the absence, throughout human history, of a single working example.

[Low-Q]

@ Low-Q: Do you or anyone you know have a math formulae That proves the impossibility of a gravity driven wheel? Im talking about using weights and gravity in a wheel.

If you one day discover that a stone falls back to the ground in a greater speed than what you applied to it when throwing the stone in the air, you would have the proof that says gravity wheels will work.

Anyways. The simplest equation should be this:
Total potential energy in a gravity wheel = (mass x altitude) + (mass x (-altitude) = 0.
An example: (1kg x 1m up) + (1kg x 1m down) = 0. You gain potential energy when lifting 1kg 1m up. Letting the same 1kg travel 1m down, and the 1kg are back to its initial point. At the end of the cycle there will not be any excess energy. It could likely just stayed at the same level all the time. Zero excess energy in any case. A weight which is following a rim with a given radius, will move up the same distance as it moves down. Why should this wheel work?

Any mass preserves its weight unless the gravity suddenly change. Gravity are conservative, not changing, therfor mass will allways preserve its weight. To make a gravity wheel work, the gravity must apply less force on the weights on their way up, and gravity must apply more force on the weights on their way down. If gravity doesn't change at all, no work can be carried out by a gravity wheel. The proof are very simple, but people just don't want to listen. What I write down here is meaningless - a waste of time, work for nothing. It will not change peoples beliefs. People must fail in order to learn. For some people, failing over, and over, and over again is not enough to proove them wrong.

What makes people blind to understand why gravity wheels cannot work, is the path of the weights, its complexity, the appearently overbalanced configuration - which to the eye proofs a working machine. What most people forgets, is the time and velocity factor that applies to an object that is altering its path through a complete cycle, or is not following a circular path, or is not having a constant velocity during one complete cycle. The velocity change also affects the torque. Less velocity, greater torque - energy (velocity x torque) are conserved in both sides of the wheel. Therfor it will not work.

Vidar

[SPANG]

The trouble some people put themselves (and others,)
through, (even, providing formulae), to justify their own
personal beliefs ----- beggers belief!  You can have a
personal belief, right, or wrong, about any subject you
like, but it becomes wrong to FOIST your beliefs on to
someone, as if it were a'law'of physics ------ because it
hasn't been done -- yet-- doesn't mean it CAN'T BE
DONE.

BILL.

P.S.  It was 'proven', at one time, that a bee can't fly!