PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[Magluvin]

Will be testing the PG in a few hours, gotta do laundry first. ;]

Was thinking today.  Was thinking that if it works, that maybe if I attached 2 to my bike wheel, that it could be a way of having visual lights without having a power source.

If the leds were connected directly to the coil, no other parts involved, then the led would not light when the device, on the perimeter, furthest out next to the rim, is below center of the axle and even worse when near being close to the ground.

We have seen these vids or pics of say put a colored dot near the outer edge of the wheel and plot the dot while the wheel rides across the ground. There is this area in the plot, when the plot line is close to the ground while the wheel rolls, that the cot doesnt have much or any forward nor backward motion in relation to how the PG needs to be oriented while in motion to generate.

The highest speed would be at the very top of the wheel, as that part of the wheel is moving faster than the bike itself.  but if the wheel is up off of the ground, like with the bike upside down, the device attached to the wheel would light up in any and all positions, because the wheel as a whole is not going anywhere. ;]

So this device would not really be good mounted in wheels of vehicles. Even if there were many individual PG's only the ones that are near or within the upper half of the wheel would be putting out maximum or any power at all.

Unless, each wheel had another wheel built into it, that was geared in a way so that when the main wheel rolls, the gen wheel spins faster.

Oh well, just some thoughts for the day.  Brought my bike home to do the tests after laundry is done.

Mags

[JouleSeeker]

Wow, very interesting work, Mags! 
Pls let us know how it turns out.

I've been reading about homopolar motors in a book by Jovan Marjanovic -- interesting stuff.  More on that later.

Jules --
we seem to share many of the same interests.
Thanks for your post:

Hello Dr Jones,
I know Professors like their "students" to find by themselves instead of giving them the solutions in hands.
I think you are doing the same, see below why.

I would rather give a small finished circuit, and find someone to manufacture it in small quantities, and send the device all over the world to researchers, NGOs, Universities, etc... And sell these basic OU circuit through internet to collect funds to develop bigger ones and to finance a large communication campaign. But that's just my experience that gives me such opinion

So, coming to the OU device, I watched carefully your video from Sterling Allan interview Physicist Steven E. Jones shows 8x overunity circuit and measurements (1 of 2) - YouTube
At one point you mention your test with a Pin of 4 mW and a Pout of 920mW.
That's 230 more out than in ...
By the way I don't understand why Sterling nor anyone else ever mentioned this x230, but instead talked about x8 and x20

Because I was not able to reproduce that high-yield result... unfortunately, I must say.

But we don't need x230 to prove OU, or ambient energy harnessing ...

With your very simple circuit (a Joule Ringer as LaserSaber calls it), at 4mW Pin, is it possible to light 1 or a few LEDs on the output side ?

If you can light 1 white LED at full brightness, factory rated at 3V 15mA, you would get 45mW output. ...

Let me stop you right there -- it is the "full brightness" part that is very difficult to achieve in the first place, and to PROVE that it is full brightness by eye.  I have developed the "light box" to quantitatively measure Lumens output (not just Lux) as explained on the "Joule Lamp" thread.

Certainly, having a self-running device would be awesome, and convincing!  I'm certainly not there yet.

I share the goal of achieving maximum light out per watt in, for the poor of the earth especially!

[Magluvin]

Well so far, the bike wheel test didnt light leds.  Will try more windings and thinner wire.

I dont know if it will help. but gota try. Other than the leds, maybe I can use a meter(spin with wheel also) to measure any peaks of voltage and or current in min max mode.

If it doesnt work, then there must be something a miss.

After the fine wire, more turns try, Im going to try adding JB weld with iron powder added to encase the coil in hopes of covering all angles.  I also wonder if the metallic coating( i think nickle) on the neos could be sapping from the coils induction, if any. 

Got a few more ideas if this dont work out

Mags

[TinselKoala]

JB Weld already has iron powder in it, I think. It's weird to watch it creep in a magnetic field before it sets, like a very thick ferrofluid.  I love that stuff, I've even used it to repair an aircraft engine crankcase.

I hope you don't mind if I suggest: Arrange your geometry so that you have the maximum number of "flux lines" moving across your conductors at as close to a right angle as possible, and make sure you don't inadvertently build in any "cancelling" magnetic flux paths moving through the conductors.

[Magluvin]

JB Weld already has iron powder in it, I think. It's weird to watch it creep in a magnetic field before it sets, like a very thick ferrofluid.  I love that stuff, I've even used it to repair an aircraft engine crankcase.

I hope you don't mind if I suggest: Arrange your geometry so that you have the maximum number of "flux lines" moving across your conductors at as close to a right angle as possible, and make sure you don't inadvertently build in any "cancelling" magnetic flux paths moving through the conductors.

Hey Tk
Yea, the JB has iron, but doesnt seem like much when you put a magnet to it. I run a speaker magnet through the old bead from our bead blaster at work and the iron, iron oxide collects quite well. Separating the dust and sand from it, as it holds quite a bit until stirred, is easy with a bit of compressed air.

So Ill add that to the mix for more iron content. JB 2 part clay form seems to have a bit more iron as it pulls on a mag a bit stronger. Also both parts of the clay 2 part has iron in it, but the fluid, only the Metal(black/grey) has magnetic attraction. So once you add the hardener, the total iron content is less.


I dont know if you have seen my version of what Im trying to do yet.

http://www.overunity.com/10773/physicsprof-steven-e-jones-circuit-shows-8x-overunity/msg322749/#msg322749

Then a couple post after I show a pic of the real thing. The mags are N facing in.
The JB mix will be used to surround the coil to give the N poles a spread over the coil, well hopefully help. I think you can imagine where im going with this. My description in those posts should be fairly clear. ;]

Also considering the flux density of magnets today compared to back then, I think that the neos should provide good flux density to provide some sort of output.

Im worried about the nickle coating though. It may be causing unseen inductive losses, maybe.

Mags