PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[dimbulb]

REgarding the power measurement.

The faint glow of an led is not a good milliwatt meter but is better than the tektronix 3032.
The claim of 7.9 is unsubstantiated without seeing the math if do don't mind.
My best effort to find a way (using someone elses idea on this) is to find the correct type of bolometer.
I have a very difficult time on this because turning the led down low brings the cost
up significantly to hack an astrophysics bolometer. leaving the led on overnight has
complicated the effort in finding objective instumentation.

The good news is that a thermistor bolometer can be made inexpensively.
I am not saying long runtime is not an indicator.
I am saying to do this right a bolometer is less problematic.

[JouleSeeker]

@dimbulb -- always interested in new methods...

Would you explain the bolometer?  I'd look it up but gotta run --
- my daughter is having her first baby!  Hurray!

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gotta run --
- my daughter is having her first baby!  Hurray!

hope all has gone well (not too much waiting!) and we get to call you Grandad Jones pretty soon!

[Freezer]

  Can't sleep just now... wheels turning.

OK -- next deduction re:company M that "visited" RUK -- what did they REALLY want from Romero? 
A:  his device.  R-UK said it was confiscated, did not say by whom (probably under threat again).
Q:  why did they want his device?
A:  because they believe RUK found a way to get it operate better, or perhaps even a "secret" that inventor Muller (now dead, we know) did not reveal prior to his demise.
They needed the actual Romero device to back-engineer, to make their patent useful to them!

If this line of reasoning is correct, they are now feverishly trying to get their machine on the market, incorporating Romero's "secrets"... and they may be willing to silence others until they get the device into production.  They are almost certainly following the discussion here at OU to glean more information useful to them...

Is this a good thing?  No, certainly not good what they did to RUK, "scared to death" he said.  And his device was confiscated.  You gotta admit, that was bold of whoever seized it.

If company M is seeking to monopolize this invention and "protect their patents", they may try to squelch the discussion here.  Or they may just follow it from a distance...
They may go after other "successful replications."   Of course, this line of reasoning suggests a way to find out about these guys and their intent... one just claims a self-running build of a Muller device, and...
You can figure it out from there.  A good novel if nothing else!
But seriously..... I gotta get some sleep.  zzzzzzzz.......
Cheers!

I don't think "they" need to back-engineer anything, they already have much better stuff on the shelf. If anything, the fact that the spooks even showed up, probably means it worked, and they needed to silence the guy who figured it out.  He seemed to be compliant by giving up the motor, so I guess deadly force wasn't needed, you know..like how some people get suicided.

[NickZ]

    @ JS:
   Thank you for the offer to send me a toroid, I do appreciate that, but I'll just wait and see if Goldmine stocks them again in the near future, and I'll get a bunch of them,  in case they run out again.  Would have been nice if Radio Shack had them, as they have stores here, but it doesn't look like it.  In any case I'm used to swapping AAs, I've got several charging all the time for these projects.  But would really like to see a device that does not need to have the batteries replaced at all.  Like with my cement cells,  perpetual output.  Thanks again.
                                                                                           Nick