Romero's experiments and OU principles

[Magluvin]

One final set of remarks from my side on this capacitor thingy and then I will stop nagging.

Earlier yesterday I posted in the main OU discussion thread that multifilar wire ( = litze) probably includes a capacitance of several tenths of pF (see http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3842.2940 , reply #2940).
Quite different from the uF range values that others came up with.

It would be good to just having confirmed that multifilar is the way to go, rather then expressing the same thing as some sort of special winding is necessary to get added capacitance in the coil. Most of the forum member have no clue what you're talking about.
Advising in a too cryptical way will lead to even more cluttered discussions.

I am seeking for some kind of confirmation on my estimation that we have a few tenths of pF here.
Anyone with a trustworthy () link?

[update]
Interesting links I found myself:
http://www.westbay.ndirect.co.uk/capacita.htm
http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php (in particular fig 2 raises questions when projected to a 7 strand mutifilar coil as we are suppose to use)

Ya know, I cannot say for sure. And probably Romero cannot say for sure. ;] Though he did confirm my guess.


To make a set of bifi should not be hard to do and try, even just to eliminate that option.

I have a couple bifi, single strand per winding, and they are into the 10s of nf, .05 uf down to .011 uf.  Thats not pf. And I imagine being the stranded wire has more surface area, possibly more capacity could be had with it.
I would prefer, under these circumstances, an even no. of strands in the litz. This way you can mix up the wires in the litz to bifi, and the 2 separate windings will be in closer proximity and increase the capacitance even further.
I can imagine getting into the high 10s or low 100s of nf this way.

Be careful. lol  if you happen to measure capacitance across just 1 coil, not from 1 and the other, you may read 1 or more uf .   I cannot say this would be an accurate representation of capacitance of a single coil. ;]

After all this work, I would give it a shot.


I just saw Lidmotors walk around vid. Does he know about the advantage paralleling diodes has? I see only the 6A si. That may be what he needs. ;]


Mags

[bolt]

Inductance of a coil is a function of the core permeability  and the number of turns are the main factors.  A "special" coil can be wound where each of the litz wire strands can be separated to provide several higher frequency lower inductance windings or phases. Each end of the wire can be Averenko Diode Plugged. As each magnetic pulse of the passing neo magnetic flux produces "copies" of each winding which is why the voltage increases with the number of turns or each litz strand can produce its own individual excited elements with many other copies of the same joules of each wire strand without any degradation of the magnetic flux path.

Its important to note its not required to go looking for the frequency to be tuned TO as each strand has self capacitance of a couple of pf's and each length of wire represents a wavelength,  The energy from each wavelength (which will all be quite different to each other) is diode plugged and aggregated to a common o/p rather like a multi-tuned xtal radio.

I read in the past several expired patents using this process and can also lead to O.U motors and generators which can be rewound taking as many phases from the rotor as practical and terminating the ends of the wires in diode plugs.  Remember now cast you mind back when Romero said a few weeks ago Model RC 3 phase motors are already 97% efficient. They can be easy converted to 6 phases diode plugged on each strand and probably can go OU. They already have a perfect rotor with neos and professional castings.  Hector says find large commercial perm mag motors and convert to out-runners and diode plug all the wires as alike 21 phases provides hundred of watts OU.

Anyway bottom line YES its worthy of further bench testing.

[neptune]

@Bolt . Who is Hector please ? In your last paragraph , you talked about large permanent motor . What type of motor is this , are we talking a conventional brush type , or a larger version of the 3 phase model aircraft motor ? Hundreds of watts OU ? This is fascinating, but without more practical information and a circuit diagam , including the Avramenko plug circuit , no one can build anything . By converting to an outrunner , I assume that means fixing the shaft to a solid support and allowing the motor`s outer casing to spin . Your comments would be appreciated .

[bolt]

@Bolt . Who is Hector please ? In your last paragraph , you talked about large permanent motor . What type of motor is this , are we talking a conventional brush type , or a larger version of the 3 phase model aircraft motor ? Hundreds of watts OU ? This is fascinating, but without more practical information and a circuit diagam , including the Avramenko plug circuit , no one can build anything . By converting to an outrunner , I assume that means fixing the shaft to a solid support and allowing the motor`s outer casing to spin . Your comments would be appreciated .

AC or DC perm mag motor brushed or brush-less you can convert to an out-runner. Fix the shaft then rewind the coils so all the ends come out as separate phases to the existing armature pins. Now diode plug all the phases to a common DC BUS so you can convert  a  DC  2 brushes 21 pole motor to a 21 phase brush-less DC out-runner generator. You will notice now that the power can be taken off any phase at any time as there are no brushes. Each phase is constantly being pulsed by the now spinning neo magnets as the outer casing spins instead. As each phase is electrically isolated there is no cross conduction and each phase  can "ring" producing 21 times the energy.

PS this is NOT a Toy its a commercial application capable of producing hundreds if not many KW's pending motor size.  Im told as a guide you can get up to 10 times the old plated rating so a 5kw motor can become a 50KW generator.

Image courtesy ARK Research.

[nul-points]

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without more practical information and a circuit diagam , including the Avramenko plug circuit , no one can build anything . By converting to an outrunner , I assume that means fixing the shaft to a solid support and allowing the motor`s outer casing to spin
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hi Neptune

is this what you meant by your coil oscillation test circuit?  (see below)

Hector is the main man wrt 'Rotovertor' technology

Avramenko plug is a capacitor connected across half a FWBR - two diodes, connected in series, both reverse polarity if using an electrolytic - fed with just ONE wire from a pulsing, or HF, circuit into the mid-point of the two diodes

an 'outrunner' is like that R/C motor we were all discussing way back - axial coils in the fixed stator, mag segments around a 'bell-like' outer rotor with a spindle going into a bearing in the centre of the all the coil radii - HavDad showed a video of one that he'd modified into a Genny a month back or so

hope this helps!
np


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