Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[gyulasun]

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When I make the coil that will work alone with no added capacitance, I hazard a guess the result will be the same.

Hi Farmhand,

Thanks for your efforts and showing the results.  Regarding your guess above, I agree the results would be the same or only a tad bit better without the added capacitor because when you tune the coil the resonant current circulating in the LC tank gives a small additional loss, negligible in practice (assuming the coil has a reasonable quality factor, say Q>10).

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Oh and the power did increase this time when when the cored speed up happened at Power Level (6) only about 100 mA or so.
It didn't seem to move much on the other levels maybe because of the boost converter making a spongy voltage or something.
The higher levels of boost are 50% duty, the lower ones vary down to 20 % or so. Dunno bout that.

Regarding your boost converter's changing duty cycle, is not it normal as it varies: for higher levels the converter has to 'pump' out more juice hence duty cycle increases and vice versa?  And when the levels do not change much then duty cycle can stay at a relatively constant value, it has no much reason to correct for.

Gyula

[Farmhand]

No Probs Mags, Yes the numbers make perfect sense. What I say next is not directed to you Mags so please bear with me.

The way I see it a normal Alternator or AC generator usually makes a forced sine wave, ie. you might notice that the little three phase model airplane motor makes a sine wave right off, at very low speeds because of the design of the motor, it has minimal resistance and inductance for use with PWM controllers but the effect of the immediate sine wave is the layout of the magnets and the coils/cores. But when we make a generator from just placing coils at a given distance and place magnets a similar way what we get is a frequency driven sine wave or a resonant condition is what make a sine wave, ie, we don't see a sine wave until a certain frequency is applied or reached and so when that frequency is passed resonance is passed and the coils experience increased impedance due to the reactance. This means the coil cannot pass currents very well. If the core is removed the resonant frequency is dropped by a whole bunch of Hz and so the coil can then pass currents but being air cored it doesn't process the magnet flux very well and generates much less so causes very little drag.

I only went to a harmonic but it was enough to cause drag on the cored coil that the shorting could not overcome because the wave form was a result of frequency and not generator design. A generator designed to output maximum power at best efficiency makes a forced sine wave at all frequencies has as little resistance as possible and the inductance is designed so resonance is not passed and reactance is not an issue. Such a generator when shorted will cause severe to catastrophic drag because it tries to work into the short. When a coil has a frequency induced sine wave or a frequency induced reactance situation that causes very high impedance the coil cannot power loads properly and cannot be shorted proper because current cannot flow well at that frequency.

The proof is in the inability of the generator coil to power loads even at a lower frequency, being that when a load is added the waveform is distorted even at lower frequencies.

If we want to use frequency induced sine waves they need to be high frequency and backed by the input of high energy pulses of input power not just a sniff of a passing magnet.

To make a good permanent magnet alternator it needs to have the cores and magnets arranged so that the machine makes a sine wave right from start up, the magnet to core distance should be as close as possible ,the cogging kinda needs to be counteracted using some Technique (there are some in use already), also the coils need to have not so much inductance that the resonance frequency is not passed during operation so that inductive reactance is not an issue. This type of alternator will load down the prime mover anytime a load is placed across the generator output because it it designed to generate electricity not to get funding from investors.

I'm not finished yet though. My demonstration is still not convincing enough, I have another with more impedance and higher voltage most likely no added capacitors as well. The coil I just used had 0.5 mm wire and not all that much inductance or resistance and it worked to get AUL because I added capacitors, I will try that coil with no capacitors first then if it won't accelerate without caps. I will record it's output with the caps and without. Then I will go to a coil that has Henries inductance rather than mH and 400 Ohms resistance. I have several other coils of my own making to try as well.

The next coil will cause acceleration with as little as only LED's as a load, or shorted.

My motor is a very good prime mover for testing these things because it can keep a constant pulse width, this means the speed of the rotor is very prone to slow with load and the voltage is spongy so a decrease in load will increase the working voltage of the motor coils and increase the speed by improving efficiency alone, it can accelerate under load without much increase in input power, sometime none. Which did kinda surprise me but I think the reasons I just outlined is why. It's not all the motor design but the supply circuit I'm using with it as well, a bit of both really, the decrease in load would unload the charging coil and so it would release more energy from it's magnetic field after pushing the rotor and as a result the main motor coil gets both - more energy and at a higher voltage to boot.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

No Gyula, My boost converter is manually controlled via a pot, I chooses between the battery voltage or 9 different levels of boost it stays where I select. However if the load is small on the lower levels of boost I use less than 50% duty so the motor pulls the voltage down, the boost converter only works at 3 kHz so the low duty makes a spongy voltage.

I use a picaxe to sense the voltage on the boost cap and it shut's off the PWM when the voltage on the cap gets to the set level. So I can very both the boost current (the duty) and the resulting unloaded voltage, when a load is applied at a lower level the voltage drops if the duty is so low so that the power remains the same around about.

You wanna see the code that controls it ? Would be no problem, it's not sophisticated programming or anything. Just hack programming but it works, I can write better code I have four switches for outputs on the picaxe control board I made it's a 14M2 so it has I think 5 outputs and 5 inputs I've configured it with 4 mosfets for outputs and 4 dedicated inputs with two spare. But I used low voltage mosfets 50 volts and IN5822 diodes so the switches are mainly for power control. I use one input and output for the boost converter hence the need to keep the initial boost below 40 volts but then the charging coil is a boost converter as well. More than first meets the eye.

Cheers

[gyulasun]

Puff for me, lol   I thought your converter to be automatically PWM controlled, that is why I answered like that.
Never mind. Thanks for the code offer, I do not need it, I am not using picaxe or Arduino stuff, rather limited in tinkering place at the kitchen table.

Gyula

[Farmhand]

I just thought it would be a good idea so there was no confusion that's all. Not just for you. The code shows the PWM for the levels but the sensed voltage is converted to a scale between 0 and 255 for the voltage limit. I use the same type of code that I wrote for my boxed up picaxe boost converter. One ADC input has the pot to choose the levels and another ADC input senses the voltage, it's a custom setup and I can adjust it to whatever. I do go to 55 % duty if I want a more solid voltage. The way it works I can turn the boost converter on and with a flicker of current the boost cap is charged and the PWM only kicks in if the resistor potential divider drains the voltage over time or a load is attached.

Pulsing coils and stuff for just charging batteries is a long gone for me, I use a similar setup to boost the voltage of my small solar battery conditioner, it can work in low light to condition batteries with 24 volts capacitor discharges because of the boost function, in full sun the boost stops and the setup pulses the solar panel charged capacitor to keep the panels at 17 volts and things need to look after themselves, when the battery is charged it goes into float mode and if loaded it begins charging again if there is sunshine.

All the pulsing of coils for flyback is just boost converter stuff. Tesla's resonant charging circuit from the "IGNITER FOR GAS ENGINES" patent was/is a type of boost converter. It uses the discharge of the coil to charge a capacitor to a higher voltage.

Basically my motor shows several principals that are very useful. As well it put's into perspective some claims of the likes of "in a  Bedini machine the rotor work is free", I see that when the rotor is loaded the charging coil produces less voltage into the charging capacitor, ergo the work from a coil's magnetic field on a rotor is not free. Lets see someone prove otherwise.

I don't want to seem as though I'm trying to teach you more educated folks circuit theory or anything, that would be pretentious. I very much respect and appreciate the expert help. ie. My friend SeaMonkey I think knew I had a busted diode because he could tell by the wave forms but being a fantastic teacher he just mentioned it and allowed me to find the fault. SeaMonkey has taught me much, I see him as a mentor not just in electronics but also as an example of self control and decorum, and in that area I lag far behind. As a rule I always defer to the knowledge of the educated men such as yourself and others of the like, I am very grateful for you all.  But by the same token I don't want to be treated as if I know nothing (not saying anyone in particular is doing that, just sayin), I am learning. I might lack words and some experience but not brain power and vision. I'm trying to tread lightly. 

I don't go for pretty stuff, I want to get into the guts of things. As Mags said leave no stone unturned. I like to design my own little experiments to see how and why things happen. My analysis might not be spot on but I think I'm getting warm. On a number of fronts.

The way I see it the guru's have attacked our intelligence and deceived many of us for profit or otherwise. For me that means war. On all fronts, propaganda and covert operations are par for the course for the other side, they even team up to from a stronger deception, I work alone. I've been attacked ridiculed and marginalized on several forums, this one seems tolerant of me, but it makes no difference. I strive to find the truth and reveal it. Whatever it may be. It's a straight road and easy to follow, but it's not paved well yet. Others are doing it too. The truth will prevail. My advice to the Guru's is "Ante up and show the goods or give it up" I won't be the last and I'm far from finished.

Some Guru's I think are thrust into the role but don't fight it, I think because it seems desirable due to the adoration/attention.

I have the rest of my life to fight deception and coercive persuasion anyway I might as well make a sport of it. 

No one has tried to sue me yet, but I have had attempted anonymous contacts. They don't scare me one bit. Neither do the threats like those UFO Politics and his followers throw at me. Talk of firearms and all kinds of childish stuff like they think they can shoot me from the USA. hahahaha. Or are they saying they are working for dark forces and can actually make something happen. I doubt it. But don't discount it. Regardless I am not afraid. I poke tongues at them all. 

Free energy is all around us. There is no doubt. Before money everything was free. Energy cannot be created so all that can be done is to collect it or harness it, just like a solar panel does.

Thane says energy can be created. That is like he is saying he can add something to the universe that did not previously exist. It's baloney.

Cheers