Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[MileHigh]

I stand corrected about Thane Heins going off of YouTube.  But at this point my assumption is still that the deal he worked out with the electric motorcycle company is dead because his alleged technology did not prove itself to be valid when they did field trials.  It would seem to be the logical reason that the videos and the YouTube channel was pulled.  By the same token, the development cycle for something like this could easily take two years or more so who knows.

The "delayed Lenz effect" is another issue that I think is misunderstood by many experimenters.  Seeing a rotor speed up when you short a pick-up coil or whatever is not necessarily confirming that there is some kind of effect related to Lenz' Law or some kind of excess energy effect.  Also, I believe that J.L. Naudin has a history of doing experiments and then retracting his conclusions after the fact when more data becomes available.

MileHigh

[hoptoad]

I stand corrected about Thane Heins going off of YouTube.  But at this point my assumption is still that the deal he worked out with the electric motorcycle company is dead because his alleged technology did not prove itself to be valid when they did field trials.  It would seem to be the logical reason that the videos and the YouTube channel was pulled.  By the same token, the development cycle for something like this could easily take two years or more so who knows.

The "delayed Lenz effect" is another issue that I think is misunderstood by many experimenters.  Seeing a rotor speed up when you short a pick-up coil or whatever is not necessarily confirming that there is some kind of effect related to Lenz' Law or some kind of excess energy effect.  Also, I believe that J.L. Naudin has a history of doing experiments and then retracting his conclusions after the fact when more data becomes available.

MileHigh

Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

Cheers

[Magluvin]

Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

Cheers

I agree. And I think i said close to the same earlier. ;]

Another thing is, what causes the speedup? Is it that the freq of the rotor is at a point where the pulses of the rotor exceed a freq that cant pass through the coil as well as lower freq? cutoff freq. And if so, does that mean that the output is less at this time also? If so, there is no gain here.

But, if the coil is resonant at these freq 'and' near cutoff freq of the coil, then there may be delay and an upward climb in output in this range. Like as I perceive  Romero's motor accomplished.

Mags

[DeepCut]

Looking at a couple of Thane's latest videos, he's just going around in circles like his rotors. One video he posted just over 2 weeks ago is the same experiment performed by him over 4 years ago. Thane never shows a baseline for driving his rotors, that is, he never shows the rotor speed and power consumption to drive the rotor when there are no cores/coils present at all.

If he did, his whole circus would come to a screeching halt, because it would show that the rotor goes faster and the driving motor uses less current when there are no cores/coils present at all.

Cheers

Yes that baseline test is the one i would like to see, i'm chasing it as you know and i hope it's not my tail ;+}

I think there is something else at play not just the rise time, there is odd behaviour at times.

If it were just the risetime then pushing the frequency would result in AUL bands and DUL bands ?

Also one thing these coils do, at certain frequencies, if you unshort them the rotor stays at the accelerated speed, what is happening there do you think ?


Cheers,

DC.

[synchro1]

I wound a thread spool with a bifilar wrap, series wired, and powered a 1/2" diametric tube magnet on 1/4" ceramic bearings. The coil was wired in series to a Reed switch and a 12 volt 6 amp hour Radio Shack battery and an amp meter. I Laser tached the reflective tape marked magnet spinner. At 25k, a burst of speed developed that practically doubled the r.p.m's while the amp draw dropped to zero. I called this effect Lenz propulsion, and developed a theory. No output coil was present. What's this say about a baseline?