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The classical water tank and the automatic refill

Started by Low-Q, September 13, 2011, 12:56:15 PM

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Low-Q

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on September 18, 2011, 01:12:32 AM
Hi folks, Hi low-Q, thanks for sharing your idea, though how would you extract useful work from that setup?
Here is an idea I came up with, one can have a generator attached to water wheel and use electricity to power water pump and maybe some excess useful output.
peace love light
tyson
The gravitywheel you got there will not work. Even if you align the weights to "release" sooner, it has a cost, and that is the increased torque on the left side due to the spacers you attached to each arm - they will increase the distance between the left hand weights and the hub. Also have in mind that such and similar gravity wheels will not work because each weight starts and ends at the same altitude during one revolution, so there will not be excess potential energy to be released as kinetic energy - for instance in order to run the pump.

EDIT: I see now the water will run the wheel, but why a gravity wheel style turbine?

Anyways, here is the drawing of the bottle idea. Fill it with water and let the water pressure propell the rotation. Maybe in the same direction as the Coriolis effect applies to the flowing water?

SkyWatcher123

Hi low-q, thanks for sharing your drawing. I now can see what you are describing.
I am not trying to debunk your idea, just wondering where any useful work will come from that setup, which i think is an ingenious idea.
In my idea, it has two sources of energy to extract from, gravity of falling water and possibly an extra boost from impacting water cups and then the unbalanced water wheel will extract gravity energy also, in hope of creating a self runner.
Why did i think up this gravity wheel, because I saw that self running water wheel video on youtube, where he loops a water pump that uses high pressure water jet to impact water wheel and it powers a light bulb load and self runs.
peace love light
tyson

Low-Q

Quote from: SkyWatcher123 on September 18, 2011, 07:15:01 PM
Hi low-q, thanks for sharing your drawing. I now can see what you are describing.
I am not trying to debunk your idea, just wondering where any useful work will come from that setup, which i think is an ingenious idea.
In my idea, it has two sources of energy to extract from, gravity of falling water and possibly an extra boost from impacting water cups and then the unbalanced water wheel will extract gravity energy also, in hope of creating a self runner.
Why did i think up this gravity wheel, because I saw that self running water wheel video on youtube, where he loops a water pump that uses high pressure water jet to impact water wheel and it powers a light bulb load and self runs.
peace love light
tyson
Questioning, or even debunk ideas, is the very reason for progress as the inventor can possibly reconsider the idea and make changes. So thanks for your input :)
I will make a real life device of this bottle. Just to measure the time it takes to emty the bottle.

Can't wait to try :)

Vidar

Low-Q

Well, now I have tried. I will make a video of my attemt with a milk cartoon and a thread.

The results are following.

In the shower I hanged up the cartoon, and filled it with water. I measured the time to empty 1 litre of water with two 5mm nozzles which is angled to force rotation.

At no rotation, it took 40 seconds to emty 1 litre.
At self rotation it took 32 seconds to emty 1 litre.

I will make more tests to make sure my whishes don't color the results.

Vidar

Low-Q

I did some more tests, and it seams it takes shorter time to emty 1 litre at self rotation compared to no rotation. I will make a plastic bottle test as well because the holes in the cartoon couldn't hold the tubes and the glue anymore (wet cartoon and glue does not work well).

Vidar