Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

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My two postings were on page 30 of this thread.Here is one of them:

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Re: Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells
« Reply #443 on: February 11, 2012, 09:44:36 PM »
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Here is something similar to what we are trying to do.One of them has been running since 1840.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamboni_pile
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No crystals mentioned but honey does crystalize at a certain point(age) and honey is thought to be used in their construction.
Zamboni piles have output [/size]potentials[/font][/size] in the [/size]kilovolt[/font][/size] range, but current output in the [/size]nanoampere[/font][/size] range. The famous [/size]Oxford Electric Bell[/font][/size] which has been ringing continuously since [/size]1840[/font][/size] is thought to be powered by a pair of Zamboni piles.[/size][3]


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[ibpointless2]

A video showing me getting voltage from just one magnesium ribbon with no noticeable electrolyte. The magnesium made a semiconductor oxide layer that i can hook up to a meter and get voltage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDIejZeo6_A


Let me know what you guys think of this. This cell should give no voltage because it should be shorted out but since the oxide layer is their i can get voltage.

[jbignes5]

 Now think about it. with 2k volts and nano amps for current we could charge a cap and then disruptively discharge it via Tesla's method to draw in that current we need into a bifilar coil like the pancake coil. This would give the voltage two things here. We could lower the voltage and increase the amps via transformer action. One that would not effect the source potential at all. Then we could rectify this into dc or leave in the ac state.!!!!


The operator here would be to draw the potential from the battery into an oil capacitor then discharge it onto a very very low self inductance coil to harvest as we please the discharges.


Tesla was known to say that I can charge up a condenser and extract any amount of horsepower from that condenser's discharge via induction.


I'll see if I can find the exact quote.

*edit* Ok found the place he went on record saying that quote:

http://books.google.com/books?id=KRg9HWakBmQC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=tesla+gave+westinghouse+new+soft+iron+for+transformers&source=bl&ots=0SjD0CgTBB&sig=oZ-dIBnH9jnWaT_688Dtm0YWvso&hl=en&ei=upTTTszED6Xf0QGl3qxL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CFQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=tesla%20gave%20westinghouse%20new%20soft%20iron%20for%20transformers&f=false

Page 68 at the top starting with Counselor question...

[jbignes5]

A video showing me getting voltage from just one magnesium ribbon with no noticeable electrolyte. The magnesium made a semiconductor oxide layer that i can hook up to a meter and get voltage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDIejZeo6_A


Let me know what you guys think of this. This cell should give no voltage because it should be shorted out but since the oxide layer is their i can get voltage.

Yes the voltage you are seeing is only the difference between the magnesium and the alligator clip. The base charge of the magnesium is separated by the oxide which is non conductive as per your description. This is creating a capacitance that is self powered by the potential difference of the two electrodes. In this case magnesium and whatever the clip is made out of!


You know I was thinking that what if the static battery is like all one potential. The stacking is static inductive connections. Much like a coil of wire without the real connection between. Maybe they are additive from disk to disk. Lets say magnesium disks and copper disks. One side is magnesium only separated by paper and oil. Would each plate be additive to the next inductively coupled disk. Ie 1.6v+1.6v=3.2v first pair then the next disk would be inductively energized with the previous disk of 3.6v+1.6v=5.2v and this will continue on till you ended it. The masses must be balanced though. Magnesium weight must balance to the copper side weight.

Ok here try this get a copper strip just like your magnesium and put a paper layer in between, oil that baby up and see what voltage and amps you get. If that doesn't work then try it without the paper in between just the oil or grease.

I think the jist of it is to connect the two sides via the last disk in the pile and inductively connect the disks through the pile. When you short out the pile it flows inductively to the storage device(cap).

[PhiChaser]

@ IB: Yeah, I think Jbignes5 is right. If you were using magnesium probes you would probably get zeros. It does lead to a lot of interesting ideas regarding how to use an oxide layer as a seperator rather than introducing a new material (like paper, whatever...). The blackened Mg seems to be stable/non-corroding? Sounds like that works. Oil works. Controlled oxidation may be a way to 'keep it simple'?
Do you get any readings with copper touching the Mg oxidization directly? I like the paper/oil dip idea that J suggested..
@ Jbignes5: We need to figure out which caps are going to work well on this low voltage, micro(pico?)amperage scale. I keep thinking that transistors would have to be in there to let current flow until the cells drop to a certain voltage, then cut them out of the charging until they naturally charge up enough to 'flow' current into the circuit again. Example: When the cell voltage is over 0.5v allow current to flow, when the cell voltage reaches 0.5v cut that cell out from charging the cap, when voltage levels reach 1.0v (again) the current is allowed to flow (until the voltage drops to 0.5v again, etc...).
I haven't done my homework so I'm not sure there is such a thing (yet)... Everything these days is designed to go FAST and we're looking for something that goes S-L-O-W right? Back to handmade caps maybe? I haven't had time to even start reading the captret thread... Real life is really busy heh heh.
Using Tesla style tech is a good thing to keep in mind too!
Gonna go make some cells I think... I may have some free days next week too!

Happy experimenting!
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